IS thie the excuse Memo will make for JMM if he is ever caught?

Top 10 list of excuses: - Marquez drank the wrong glass of piss! - The hyperbolic chamber that Marquez uses went haywire and turned Marquez into the Hulk! - Mexican pharmacy made the batch too strong this time! They need to improve on their standards! - I got a flashback from the past and thought I was still working with Marion Jones! - It's the Mexican meat! It's always the Mexican meat! - I used to know 20 drugs that were undetectable during PEDs testing. I can positively say that I only know 19 drugs now! - I told him to do some "biometric jumps" but he thought I meant for him to pump up his PEDs intake. - I told Marquez, drink no more than two glasses of piss at a time tops but you know Marquez, he loves his piss! - Due to the cold thin air in the mountains, I told Marquez to have a hot bowl of minestrone. He thought I said "testosterone" .... you should all understand the confusion. It was just bad miscommunication. - What gave it away? Was it because I said "You must have the talent, train hard and have the best support staff and coaches, then it's the best drugs that make the difference."

Absolutely. And the scary thing is how irresponsible the high-school guys are with it, and how much access they have. You've got kids intercepting the mail man after school because they just bought their test cycle online using a pre-paid visa card. One other thing I'll add is now seemingly innocent some of the stuff is. Picture your favorite current boxer. He is lagging in training and something is wrong. His conditioning coach says, "Your thyroid levels are out of wack, must be from when you were sick. We need to give you medication to balance this and get you back to normal so you can train." Hands him a begin looking pill that he takes ever few hours for 3 weeks at the beginning of camp. Now your favorite fighter has upped his energy, dropped bodyfat, and will piss clean when testing comes around. No one is the wiser. You're right. There's nothing crazy about the scenario you just gave. Yet, it's definitely cheating. If an athlete had to overcome the effects of an illness through natural means, it could be detrimental to his training. He could lose a fight, especially if the illness was close to fight time. I can only imagine the effects of testosterone, or any other high-level PED, used methodically and treacherously to produce exceptional results. Again, anecdotal experience: One of my old friends used to juice back in the eighties. He used to tell me about his bodybuilding glory days, whenever I told him what I was up to in the gym. I always took his word with a grain of salt, because he was a bit of a ball-breaker. One day, he shows up to work with a few pics of his "glory days". I almost couldn't believe my eyes. This guy, who you could never imagine looking this way, appeared like something straight out of a magazine. From that moment on, I've been convinced of the power of these performance-enhancing substances. It's amazing what people will believe out of ignorance or out of denial. Who knows how many over-the-counter supplements we've all bought in the hopes of some new muscle and added strength? The truth is that all of those pro bodybuilders touting that stuff have been juiced to the gills since leaving puberty. Until 1998, in the entire history of baseball, two men hit sixty home runs thirty-four years apart. During the steroids era, Sammy Sosa did it three times in four years. People believed it was "modern sports science". In a sense, they were right. :lol1:

He could use the "JMM doesn't know what I give him" excuse.. :lol1:..... Only the newbs don't get this joke.

We agree, PED use is rampant, and has been for some time now. What's amazing is that it's taking so long for the issue to be addressed in a truly meaningful way. Professional baseball took forever to start doing something about the problem. Pro football, where the issue is almost certainly a far greater scourge, has done relatively little. Boxing is also lagging behind. From what I've gathered (and you've added to it), there's a far greater prevalence of PED use in college and even high school sports than people want to believe. It's an epidemic, and parents and coaches turn a blind eye. I'm wondering if we'll take at least one small step forward when Lance Armstrong appears on Oprah this Thursday. I only have some anecdotal information to draw from here, but I've known a few people that have used steroids/PEDs. The visual effects can be astounding. The description of their effects would make any athlete want to try them. Average athletes become good, and good athletes become great. With so much money at stake, who can say they "know" their favorite fighter is clean? Absolutely. And the scary thing is how irresponsible the high-school guys are with it, and how much access they have. You've got kids intercepting the mail man after school because they just bought their test cycle online using a pre-paid visa card. One other thing I'll add is now seemingly innocent some of the stuff is. Picture your favorite current boxer. He is lagging in training and something is wrong. His conditioning coach says, "Your thyroid levels are out of wack, must be from when you were sick. We need to give you medication to balance this and get you back to normal so you can train." Hands him a benign looking pill that he takes ever few hours for 3 weeks at the beginning of camp. Now your favorite fighter has upped his energy, dropped bodyfat, and will piss clean when testing comes around. No one is the wiser.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that it must be going on in boxing but to what extent is the question. I knew people who were doing it. People are willing to do what it takes to win. The way Marquez tries anything and everything to improve his performance and getting Heredia in his corner puts a red flag, for sure but until one can definitely prove one way or another, he is innocent. Maybe they should include a poly graph test on all these athletes and trainers. See who is lying. lol! What Lance Armstrong and his team did to get away with testing makes you wonder what's going on in boxing. Testing old samples of Armstrong coupled with his teammates coming out was the key. Perhaps they should do that with boxing too ...... but I said it for a while now. Just testing during training camp is a joke and would only catch a few sloppy athletes. It needs to be done 365 days a year .... and even then, we will never know for sure but at least you went all the way with it. Cycling is a team sport so all it takes is one teammate to tell the truth but its a bit harder to catch a boxer.

The new boxing conspiracy if they win big the loser claim peds , if they refuse a test the same loser fanboy flip flops . JMM has NEVER refused a PEDS test of any kind , this PEDS stuff is outa control now because fanboys that lose will always claim it . I'm not saying that JMM is guilty of anything. But you're implying that taking a PED test and passing necessarily means you're clean. That's simply not so. Lance Armstrong, who is about to make a very public admission of guilt, is almost certainly the most tested athlete of all time, yet he avoided detection for years. Boxers get nowhere near the kind of testing, especially of the random variety, that someone like Armstrong underwent. The authorities wound up having to get several of Lance's teammates to rat him out in order to force him out of the sport of cycling. Armstrong never failed a single doping test, although one of his teammates, Tyler Hamilton, claims that he failed a drug test in 2001 and that Lance, with the help of the International Cycling Union, "took care of it." This thing is widespread, and there are ways to avoid detection, sometimes with the aid of the "authorities".

The new boxing conspiracy if they win big the loser claim peds , if they refuse a test the same loser fanboy flip flops . JMM has NEVER refused a PEDS test of any kind , this PEDS stuff is outa control now because fanboys that lose will always claim it . 1) Previously fighters (actually only one fighter comes to mind) would just blatantly ACCUSE a fighter of taking PEDs with no proof just to get away from fighting him. Then when that fighter gets over all the accusations and accepts the bluff, the fighter that did all the accusing just moves on to another roadblock. 2) Some fighters even go on retirements/long vacations during their prime just to avoid fighters. Not sure what's worse .... you? 3) Some fighters try #1 above then move on to #2 then go back to #1 but with using a fresh new roadblock. By the way, his fans always fall for it and believe every word he says unless it goes counter to improving his legacy! You know, "My health is more important than legacy". "I'm going on a long vacation and have no intentions of fighting Manny"

Meanwhile, it was retweeted by none other than Alex Ariza.

The new boxing conspiracy if they win big the loser claim peds , if they refuse a test the same loser fanboy flip flops . JMM has NEVER refused a PEDS test of any kind , this PEDS stuff is outa control now because fanboys that lose will always claim it .

There is a strong point in here. I used to be into very PEDs several years ago and I had a surprising number of college-level and pro athletes ask me advice on steroid cycles so that they could be competitive because, as they would often say, everyone else was doing it. Just based on the glimpse I got into the level of use over several years, I'm convinced that 90% of the elite-level/contender level guys use some form of illegal PED, be it steroid, GH, thyroid, etc. The fact that so many get caught shocks me because you have to be pretty sloppy or push your luck to get caught. When someone labels someone as a "drug cheat", I laugh because chances are, their fave is also using. We agree, PED use is rampant, and has been for some time now. What's amazing is that it's taking so long for the issue to be addressed in a truly meaningful way. Professional baseball took forever to start doing something about the problem. Pro football, where the issue is almost certainly a far greater scourge, has done relatively little. Boxing is also lagging behind. From what I've gathered (and you've added to it), there's a far greater prevalence of PED use in college and even high school sports than people want to believe. It's an epidemic, and parents and coaches turn a blind eye. I'm wondering if we'll take at least one small step forward when Lance Armstrong appears on Oprah this Thursday. I only have some anecdotal information to draw from here, but I've known a few people that have used steroids/PEDs. The visual effects can be astounding. The description of their effects would make any athlete want to try them. Average athletes become good, and good athletes become great. With so much money at stake, who can say they "know" their favorite fighter is clean?

That's the major problem in sports today: some athletes are being caught and some aren't. The ones that compete by the rules are often being left in the dust. Who knows how many are actually "clean" anymore? It doesn't make it right to cheat, but I can understand why someone wouldn't accept that other cheaters get away with it and they don't. I don't know if JMM cheated; but if he's suspicious, so is Manny. It's the world we currently live in. There is a strong point in here. I used to be into very PEDs several years ago and I had a surprising number of college-level and pro athletes ask me advice on steroid cycles so that they could be competitive because, as they would often say, everyone else was doing it. Just based on the glimpse I got into the level of use over several years, I'm convinced that 90% of the elite-level/contender level guys use some form of illegal PED, be it steroid, GH, thyroid, etc. The fact that so many get caught shocks me because you have to be pretty sloppy or push your luck to get caught. When someone labels someone as a "drug cheat", I laugh because chances are, their fave is also using.

Any boxer who's competitive after 34 is on something Roids HGH while on retirement something. Take a look at boxers from the 70's to 90's most were done by age 34 except heavyweights. You hardly seen someone from Welter and below still in their prime at 30, by this age it was all down hill. Hell remember Larry Holmes at 38 looked wash up against Tyson, While a 37 year old Vitali would have Ko'd Tyson. I don't need some Jackwagon stating today training methods are better than why do so many boxers can barley make to the 12th round and the throw back fighter fought 15 rounds with ease. Take a look at Salvador Sanchez you couldn't tell if it was the 1 st round or the 15 th round when he fought I remember when a boxer got past thirty his days were numbered. Then again, you had Archie Moore (admittedly an anomaly) do pretty well past the age of forty. I do believe that advances in training and nutrition has played a role in athletes' competitive longevity, but I don't think that human evolution has moved along so quickly either. It's tough to tell when a fighter is benefiting from better training and nutrition and/or natural genetics, or when they're simply juiced. I think the average active male in western society has improved noticeably in the last few decades. Much of this has to be credited to better training, nutrition, and a more widespread desire to look and be fit. If the "Average Joe" can improve, I don't see why athletes can't. The trouble is that at the highest levels of competition, it becomes much more difficult compete with younger elite athletes. And, given the times, anyone performing at previously unheard of levels should be regarded with some suspicion.

That's the major problem in sports today: some athletes are being caught and some aren't. The ones that compete by the rules are often being left in the dust. Who knows how many are actually "clean" anymore? It doesn't make it right to cheat, but I can understand why someone wouldn't accept that other cheaters get away with it and they don't. I don't know if JMM cheated; but if he's suspicious, so is Manny. It's the world we currently live in. Any boxer who's competitive after 34 is on something Roids HGH while on retirement something. Take a look at boxers from the 70's to 90's most were done by age 34 except heavyweights. You hardly seen someone from Welter and below still in their prime at 30, by this age it was all down hill. Hell remember Larry Holmes at 38 looked wash up against Tyson, While a 37 year old Vitali would have Ko'd Tyson. I don't need some Jackwagon stating today training methods are better than why do so many boxers can barley make to the 12th round and the throw back fighter fought 15 rounds with ease. Take a look at Salvador Sanchez you couldn't tell if it was the 1 st round or the 15 th round when he fought

He could use the "JMM doesn't know what I give him" excuse..

The system was to blame in cycling tbf. They were all cheating, it was a case of stay clean and enjoy your 25th place finish. Armstrong was one cheater in a sport full of cheaters. That's the major problem in sports today: some athletes are being caught and some aren't. The ones that compete by the rules are often being left in the dust. Who knows how many are actually "clean" anymore? It doesn't make it right to cheat, but I can understand why someone wouldn't accept that other cheaters get away with it and they don't. I don't know if JMM cheated; but if he's suspicious, so is Manny. It's the world we currently live in.

The system was to blame in cycling tbf. They were all cheating, it was a case of stay clean and enjoy your 25th place finish. Armstrong was one cheater in a sport full of cheaters.

Memo on twitter: "Do not blame Armstrong, blame the corruptive system and its corruptive officials, same as testing authorities for playing the blind game." Hahaha, don't blame him... not like he used them. Armstrong's not a child