The Ghost is my favourite up and coming fighter today. He's always exciting in the ring and a likeable nice guy outside of it.
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I'm a new fan of boxing. I've never had the experience of watching a contender develop into a legend, but for the people who has I've got a question: How good is Robert Guerrero? Do you think he's only good but nothing special, or do you see a potential great or is it too early to tell?
How good is he? His biggest win is against Berto. Berto who has never really beaten anyone note worthy. Sure Guerrero is rough, determined, and has tons of heart, but he's sloppy and wild with limited defense.
Been following him for a few years now (since about 2006). IMO, he is a true to 10 P4P boxer and has yet to show his best in the ring. He can box, has great defense and he can rough you up on the inside if need be as well. I'm surprised he is fighting so much on the inside with these guys because I think he could win much easier picking them to pieces with his jab and straight left.
He has been around or a while and is a multi-divisional champion: featherweight, super featherweight, lightweight, and now welterweight. He also jumped up 2 weight divisions and took on the undefeated WBC title holder (Aydin) who had a KO% of like 74% when Guerrero fought him. He is very good, very confident and very under appreciated.
Here's the thing though. He has very few TOUGH opponents where he beat them by boxing from the outside. A lot of his big wins came from roughing guys up! The dogfighting type of approach. You think he fought Aydin that way by accident? You think he fought Berto that way by accident? Even in his losses against Salido and Plantano Diaz, he fought them the exact same way! In his Draw, he fought the same way too.
I don't even see Guerrero lasting much longer in boxing because of his style of fighting where he's taken considerable punishment. I mean, he's been through a bunch of wars all because whenever he has tough opponents, he prefers to dogfight. Where he just gets smashed in the head lots of times. Then again, this HAS and IS his most effective fighting style. He just won't last much longer though. In my opinion at least.
Good fighter. But his talents are getting overrated because he's fighting Mayweather next, and because the WW division as a whole is so woeful. Even in the Berto and Aydin fights, he had a lot of difficult moments. To me, he's still very, very unproven at WW.
It's funny, but a few years ago, whenever he was on HBO (as a SFW), he would get a lot of criticism for being a passive fighter with no killer instinct. In the Yourdan fight, he quit meekly with a cut that did not look that bad.
But now, apparently he's gonna cause the great Floyd Mayweather a lot of problems.
I don't think so.
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I remember this passive boxer who laid off in a certain fight and lost when many thought he should have won. He rematched that guy a few months later and KO'd him in the 6th round, fighting as if possessed with a killer instinct.......his name was JMM.....the guy he KO'd was named Pac.
That's because he's always ducking them and cherry picking them. And yes
Ill bet on Guerrero. How much?
I don't want to bet Points. Instead the loser has to sport a sig and avatar of the winners choice for whole month. (Nothing racial or sexual in nature.) I bet on Floydie if you accept this bet.
Anyone can lose but I say he beats Mayweather and You Floydies can't handle the truth
If Floydie schools the Ghost. Floydie would then be accused of cherry picking. Floydie is always in a no win situation. If he don't fight them, his ducking them, and if the fights them and beats them his cherry picking them:pat:
He's an okay C- fighter.
Wasn't impressed with him versus Katsidis, and he had help from the idiot Russell Mora to get his win. Was not impressed with him versus Aydin either, but I guess he needed a fight to grow into his new 147 class so I won't scrutinize him too much for that.
However he did beat up Berto, whom I predicted would KO Guerrero and do it early. But nope. He pushed Berto around, beat up his body and took Berto's hard right hands without barely flinching. He straight punked his ass. It was a good win.
But the talk of him beating many at 147 is straight ridiculous. He doesn't beat , Pacquiao, Bradley, Alexander, or Marquez. They all have the tools to keep Guerrero respectable unlike Berto who is a class A moron and just laid on the ropes and let Robert tee off. Didn't even try to turn him or use his feet to spin off. Berto is bad for boxing.
I think he does everything good but not great he is a pretty good fighter though. If he does fight Mayweather in May he is going to lose but everybody at 147 he beats.
He's very good. People underrate him on here. Dude is gritty and has heart. He'll give anyone problems at 140-47. ANYONE. I think he'll actually beat Floyd. Partly cause of Floyd's age but still, it would be an amazing win for The Ghost.
The Ghost is my favourite up and coming fighter today. He's always exciting in the ring and a likeable nice guy outside of it.
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I'm a new fan of boxing. I've never had the experience of watching a contender develop into a legend, but for the people who has I've got a question: How good is Robert Guerrero? Do you think he's only good but nothing special, or do you see a potential great or is it too early to tell?
Good as Pacquiao sparring partner! But no as good as Daud Yordan!
The Ghost is my favourite up and coming fighter today. He's always exciting in the ring and a likeable nice guy outside of it.
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2012/11/23/2012-11-22-guerrero-4_3_r560.jpg?f061b7ce9937c38b702e6f308816ac2a14e2a4ec
I'm a new fan of boxing. I've never had the experience of watching a contender develop into a legend, but for the people who has I've got a question: How good is Robert Guerrero? Do you think he's only good but nothing special, or do you see a potential great or is it too early to tell?
Been following him for a few years now (since about 2006). IMO, he is a true to 10 P4P boxer and has yet to show his best in the ring. He can box, has great defense and he can rough you up on the inside if need be as well. I'm surprised he is fighting so much on the inside with these guys because I think he could win much easier picking them to pieces with his jab and straight left.
He has been around or a while and is a multi-divisional champion: featherweight, super featherweight, lightweight, and now welterweight. He also jumped up 2 weight divisions and took on the undefeated WBC title holder (Aydin) who had a KO% of like 74% when Guerrero fought him. He is very good, very confident and very under appreciated.
The Ghost is a good fighter. He has good handspeed, a controlling jab & an excellent outside fighter. He usually can stand at range & pick fighters apart. Personally I wasn't impressed with his Ayudin win, but in reality that fight can be attributed to a long layoff & 2 weight class leap.
Against Berto, however people try to underrate that win, showed he's grown into 147. He absolutely manhandled 1 of the biggest welterweight around. He's grown into the weightclass, should be highly rated & deserves his shot at Floyd by beating the mandatory & sonning Berto. It's also important to understand he's been active & Floyd is older & has lost a little off the fastball.
Now while the Ghost may not win, he's gonna surprise by being competitive. I think he has a decent chance against the aging great frankly. Plus if the rumors serve to be true, he's given Pacman the business in sparring. That alone can invoke world class confidence.
Sorry, didn't know up and comer is not an accurate description for him. My English isn't perfect and like I said I'm a boxing n00b. :dead1:
]i'll start by saying welcome to the forums. welcome to boxing.
he might be an up and comer to you, but the ghost has been a world class fighter since his days at 126 and 130.
to answer your question, there's almost no way he becomes an "ATG."
he doesn't have the talent and he certainly won't have the wins. it's just not going to happen.
he'd start need to start to string some really big names out there. if he somehow beats floyd mayweather it will be greatly attributed to floyd being old. that's really the only way robert guerrero would beat floyd mayweather, so it would be appropriate.
he's good / very good. berto was a solid W, considering that the ghost was jumping weight classes with only one real fight at WW, against aydin. but berto is badly flawed. every big fight he's taken he has lost, and he usually gets beat up. he beats the B-C level guys (quintana, collazo, urango, hernandez,) and sometimes he looks spectacular doing it. when he fights above that class he has lost. he really hasn't done much at all in boxing, and is mostly considered to have had his image greatly inflated by HBO and al haymon.
Thank you for the welcome. This past few years have been a great ride. I enjoy this forum. The members are friendly and knowledgeable and helped me learn about fighters and watch classic bouts.
Floyd is clearly the best fighter right now but you said that if he beats Floyd it would be because of his age. I understand where you're coming from but if so, then who could Guerrero beat to prove himself if the P4P no.1 isn't enough?
Again, sorry for the bad English. Hope you can understand me.
Guerrero can't be classified as an up-and-comer because he has so much experience. Maybe he's an up-and-comer in terms of how much spotlight he has, but he's been around for a while now. He's a good fighter with multiple dimensions, and he has toughness on top of that.
The Ghost is my favourite up and coming fighter today. He's always exciting in the ring and a likeable nice guy outside of it.
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2012/11/23/2012-11-22-guerrero-4_3_r560.jpg?f061b7ce9937c38b702e6f308816ac2a14e2a4ec
I'm a new fan of boxing. I've never had the experience of watching a contender develop into a legend, but for the people who has I've got a question: How good is Robert Guerrero? Do you think he's only good but nothing special, or do you see a potential great or is it too early to tell?
i'll start by saying welcome to the forums. welcome to boxing.
he might be an up and comer to you, but the ghost has been a world class fighter since his days at 126 and 130.
to answer your question, there's almost no way he becomes an "ATG."
he doesn't have the talent and he certainly won't have the wins. it's just not going to happen.
he'd start need to start to string some really big names out there. if he somehow beats floyd mayweather it will be greatly attributed to floyd being old. that's really the only way robert guerrero would beat floyd mayweather, so it would be appropriate.
he's good / very good. berto was a solid W, considering that the ghost was jumping weight classes with only one real fight at WW, against aydin. but berto is badly flawed. every big fight he's taken he has lost, and he usually gets beat up. he beats the B-C level guys (quintana, collazo, urango, hernandez,) and sometimes he looks spectacular doing it. when he fights above that class he has lost. he really hasn't done much at all in boxing, and is mostly considered to have had his image greatly inflated by HBO and al haymon.
Up and coming? Guerrero's been around for a while now homie, but as you stated you're new to this sport so you shall get a pass.
As to how good he is, well I would say......pretty good. Not good enough to beat Mayweather good mind you, but he could give everybody else hell at welterweight. Him and Bradley would be a superb fight IMO.