More disastrous cherry pick? Pacman/Oscar or Pacman/Marquez.

Everyone knows that Pacman was trying to cherrypick Floyd da best but Floyd da best was just not interested and kept coming up with excuses. i hope this is sarcasm, if not ur an idiot

na im sorry id say pac nearly dieing in 1 punch was worse than wat he did to oscar... It has to be both a disaster and a cherrypick, else we're just talking who got it worse. There's guys that died or sustained permanent damage in boxing, I guess they win that one.

So there I was putting in laps around Wapato as I battled the flu & this thought just popped into my head. Which cherrypick was more disastrous?? We know Oscar cherrypicked Pacman on a 2 weightclass jump & got force fed hard leather until he was forced to quit on his stool. Then we know that Pacman chose Marquez at 147 yet again in hopes of trashing him. He had the best training camp ever & was in top form. Yet 2 right hands ended years of his pfp run. So which caused the cherrypicker more?? pacquiao - marquez 3 was widely considered a robbery. marquez looked pretty good and pacquiao didn't. how is fighting a guy who just beat you a cherry pick? both were catastrophic. marquez knocked manny out cold. manny retired oscar after rearranging his face and almost breaking him in half with body shots.

Have you a link to say Pacquiao doesn't pay Arum anything from his purse? No I just need to use common sense. I don't have a link that Pac doesn't sh1t upside down either. There's no job where the employer pays you something, then you pay some back to the same entity. No such thing, because it makes 0 sense for 0 benefit. There is such a thing as a loan, but that is not what you're talking about.

No link, but no surprise Have you a link to say Pacquiao doesn't pay Arum anything from his purse?

Probably doesn't feel like he could go solo. There could be a non compete clause to prevent him from signing with GBP for some time, who knows. He's in the same boat as 99.9% of the boxers getting ripped of by the promoter. Oscar and Floyd are the exceptions, both aspiring promoters while fighting. Pac's got other interests, which often prove as lucrative. You know, people have gone broke forming promo companies and record labels, but I don't think anyone's lost money going into politics. I understand your point but I doubt one of the biggest and most known fighters on the planet thought he would fail going solo. Personally I think there are strange goings on in that relationship,remember the **** with Visionquest? Hopefully Manny doesn't end up having to fight on for financial reasons but even Roach has said this could happen to him if he is not careful

I know exactly what I'm saying,and Floyd wasn't the only one to report the percentage Manny has to pay I'm not saying I know everything but his contract will be to pay a percentage of his purse to Arum Not on how much the fight makes.... It might be too late but it was obvious to everyone that Pacquiao needs to self promote to make the big money Floyd has to pay Haymon and GB a percentage Manny pays Arum and Top Rank No link, but no surprise

Without getting too much in to conspiracies,I think Bradley got the nod so Pacquiao's position would be weakened therefore the risk of him leaving Top Rank diminished Manny resigned before the last fight I think Ariza has made comments on this too

if so, why for manny to only reap $28 mil is ridiculous. Why in the hell did he resign with TR? Probably doesn't feel like he could go solo. There could be a non compete clause to prevent him from signing with GBP for some time, who knows. He's in the same boat as 99.9% of the boxers getting ripped of by the promoter. Oscar and Floyd are the exceptions, both aspiring promoters while fighting. Pac's got other interests, which often prove as lucrative. You know, people have gone broke forming promo companies and record labels, but I don't think anyone's lost money going into politics.

Show me a link. Please make sure you understand what you're saying first I know exactly what I'm saying,and Floyd wasn't the only one to report the percentage Manny has to pay I'm not saying I know everything but his contract will be to pay a percentage of his purse to Arum Not on how much the fight makes.... It might be too late but it was obvious to everyone that Pacquiao needs to self promote to make the big money Floyd has to pay Haymon and GB a percentage Manny pays Arum and Top Rank

Arum gets 28% of Pacquiao's purse that's the deal he has Arum makes plenty more by only fighting against TR fighters Hence his reluctance to let Pacquiao fight outside his company Show me a link. Please make sure you understand what you're saying first

He doesn't have to pay 28% to Arum after Arum has paid him, it doesn't work like that. He has to pay Roach, Koncz, bunch more but he has no more obligation to Arum. It would be different if he took a fixed amount to fight on another promoter's show. Arum would have to get his, if he even allowed for it in the first place. Arum gets 28% of Pacquiao's purse that's the deal he has Arum makes plenty more by only fighting against TR fighters Hence his reluctance to let Pacquiao fight outside his company

Remember lads out of the 28m he made for Marquez,he still has to pay Arum his 28% plus Roach and the rest of his team He is lucky to make 15m for himself Now they have admitted that Floyds offer of 40m would have ending up making them around 50m on the back end,however that works So after Arum and his team get his money,he would make close to 30m Even if this fight sold 2m Floyd would probably get around 50m,with more add on's Floyds offer sounds worse than it is and eliminates the risk for Manny when it comes to ppv numbers Wether you think it's fair or not tho,its pretty obvious Arum has been scamming Pacquiao for years He doesn't have to pay 28% to Arum after Arum has paid him, it doesn't work like that. He has to pay Roach, Koncz, bunch more but he has no more obligation to Arum. It would be different if he took a fixed amount to fight on another promoter's show. Arum would have to get his, if he even allowed for it in the first place.

Nope, no amount of money would make him think twice as it goes much deeper than money in regards to Arums beef with GB. Any fixed offer is clearly not for a copromotion. If he was willing to stand back, it would have cost a solid chunk, contractually, not arguing his willingness to do so.

Remember lads out of the 28m he made for Marquez,he still has to pay Arum his 28% plus Roach and the rest of his team He is lucky to make 15m for himself Now they have admitted that Floyds offer of 40m would have ending up making them around 50m on the back end,however that works So after Arum and his team get his money,he would make close to 30m Even if this fight sold 2m Floyd would probably get around 50m,with more add on's Floyds offer sounds worse than it is and eliminates the risk for Manny when it comes to ppv numbers Wether you think it's fair or not tho,its pretty obvious Arum has been scamming Pacquiao for years

I don't think so either, but a 60m (lets say) offer might make him think twice. As it is, TR/Pac's pot for Pac vs JMM is probably bigger than 40m if so, why for manny to only reap $28 mil is ridiculous. Why in the hell did he resign with TR?

We know with 100% certainty there is no way in hell bob arum would simply allow Golden Boy to promote Pacquiao in the richest fight in history. Absolutely zero chance. I don't think so either, but a 60m (lets say) offer might make him think twice. As it is, TR/Pac's pot for Pac vs JMM is probably bigger than 40m

We know with 100% certainty there is no way in hell bob arum would simply allow Golden Boy to promote Pacquiao in the richest fight in history. Absolutely zero chance. I guess I cant argue with this.

Ok. thats a fair point. i don't see why he loses $11 mil. But i still think thats on Manny. He can buy his deal out. To keep allowing bob to make so much off him is mind boggling. It's because when TR promotes a show, Pac gets a solid wage but a lot is left on the table for Arum. I'd guess usually well more than 27%, but it's variable, depends how the ppv does. A successful Pac ppv yields at least 40m for Pac and TR to split. It's not the best deal, but could be a lot worse, see anyone but Floyd. And Pac never had interest in the promoter thing.

You literally have no idea how contracts work do you? First off, we don't know if Floyd's offer meant Golden Boy and Floyd would promote the fight or if it would be co-promoted by Top Rank. Quite obviously the former legally wouldn't be possible and the latter would be a joke. Lets say in this fantasy world some how Top Rank would allow this offer. With the millions of dollars that goes into promoting a fight,the venue, etc etc etc out of that $40 million pac would have made LESS than what he fights for. But again legally none of this would fly. You didn't ask about contracts you asked how would the money get in his account, which I answered. As fo the contract, the possibiltiy exists that Manny could make Less. But that is a function of his deal and suggests he shouldn't be working with TR or should buy out his contract. other than the mutual hatred, legally, there is no reason why couldn't tr and GBP co promote. I'll assume floyd and GBP would handle it but I cant see Bob letting that happen. If so, what exspenses would Pac incur as far as promotion?