When people start saying Floyd is ducking the lineal MW champ you know he is great

so why would floyd wanna fight a fight he would get no credit for??if it is at 160 cool other than that it is pointless and lightweights who jumped 2 divisions? Duran,Mosley are 2 off the top of my head,only difference is floyd dominated him like he was suppose to plus Jmm called him out lets not forget that part Do you ever listen, i said stop making excuses to not see Floyd take a challenge. Getting criticised has never been an excuse for Floyd to not take an opponent fanboy. Otherwise he would never have fought JMM, Pacs used goods Cotto, Old man SSM with 5 losses. Coming off of a win over Margarito dont erase everything you know? Yes JMM called Floyd out as JMM isnt a cherry picker like Floyd. So when Sergio called Floyd out where is floyd still hiding. The excuses keep coming, but the worse thing about the constant excuses are how weak they are.

I just don't see the fight happening. Floyd couldn't make 156, hell he can't even make 150 for a 154 fight. He does not have to make 156 as I'm sure you are aware. Floyd would most assuredly weigh below 156 unless he wanted to put on some fat or about 4-5 pounds of muscle. He would risk becoming muscle bound probably. He walks around 152 (I believe I heard this), so I imagine that is the upper limit on which he would fight Martinez at. He weighed in at 151 for the Cotto fight, but was apparently a little sick and lost weight before the fight. I imagine he would fight Martinez around 150-152, while Martinez would weigh anywhere from 163-166 depending on the circumstances. Who knows maybe Martinez would weigh a little less depending on how he intends to cut weight.

Good for boxing? Boxing will move on without Pacquiao, without Martinez, without Mayweather, etc. Mayweather/Delahoya was the fight to save boxing, remember that? Nothing changed. I never meant it would save boxing by any means, but I do think it is a compelling fight that could be marketed well. Floyd is already a great and his legacy could go a bit higher if he fights Martinez depending on the circumstances. Martinez' legacy could also be bolstered as well depending on the circumstances for him. I still think 154 is ok, but I know you disagree. It is also good when the best fight the best and whether it was Mayweather's fault or not it does reflect poorly on the sport that he and Pacquiao never met in the ring before one of them showed signs of serious decline. I certainly think it could be a fitting retirement fight for both. I also believe Martinez deserves a shot at Floyd over Canelo who looks to be on course to fight Floyd later this year. I would still rather see Martinez test the waters at 154 against Floyd than see him fight someone like Alexander if Floyd continues to fight into 2014.

Floyd is at the tail end of his career. He doesn't need Martinez for his resume. He doesn't need Guerrero or Canelo for his resume either. He's a first ballot hall of famer and an ATG with or without the 3. Whatever he does is just the cherry on top. Looking at who Floyd has fought in the last 5 years or so, one can't give it a thumbs up. It would be more of a thumbs down. So Floyd would need to improve it somehow in that department. I agree that Guerrero nor Canelo would do much for him as they are not established yet to mean much for Floyd. Martinez would but being that it would not happen for another year, it may not mean much either. So like I said, Floyd is now stuck in this department. but if you are satisfied at just seeing Floyd get into the HOF then Floyd can continue doing what he has and fight someone who just has a couple of fights at WW or a guy who we have yet to see fight established opponents.

Martinez actually offered a catchweight of 150 a couple years ago now and Floyd said ok when asked in a random interview. That would be fcking awful and would be the worst thing he could do IMO 160 or bust if Floyd wanted any credit at all. Martinez was at 157 for the weigh-in of the Macklin fight, so a CW of around 156 would not be bad. I don't see why he couldn't get credit for that. I would still give him credit for a fight at 154, so long as he gives Martinez the requested amount of time. I imagine a fair number of people wouldn't and a fair number still would. 150 would really really be stretching it though. They offered 150 this year along with an 80-20 split. It would likely be a bit different now (maybe they'd only go down 152 now), but I don't imagine the offer would be tremendously different: http://www.boxingscene.com/dibella-mayweather-get-80-20-split-150-martinez--50757

Martinez actually offered a catchweight of 150 a couple years ago now and Floyd said ok when asked in a random interview. That would be fcking awful and would be the worst thing he could do IMO 160 or bust if Floyd wanted any credit at all. Martinez was at 157 for the weigh-in of the Macklin fight, so a CW of around 156 would not be bad. I don't see why he couldn't get credit for that. I would still give him credit for a fight at 154, so long as he gives Martinez the requested amount of time. I imagine a fair number of people wouldn't and fair number still would. 150 would really really be stretching it though. They offered 150 this year along with an 80-20 split. It would likely be a bit different now (maybe they'd only go down 152 now), but I don't imagine the offer would be tremendously different: http://www.boxingscene.com/dibella-mayweather-get-80-20-split-150-martinez--50757

So who's the one talking about Floyd all the time again?

Floyd has ducked no 1..He hasnt fought top rank fighters and it is quite clear why and we have been over this 1000 times..and what jww are you claiming he is ducking now?? Bumsniff, sniffty sniff dirty arse sniffing nonsense. Give this shit up Larry, you are acting like a nobhead in the extreme. A grown dude acting like a Bieber fan. twat.:nonono:

Floyd is at the tail end of his career. He doesn't need Martinez for his resume. He doesn't need Guerrero or Canelo for his resume either. He's a first ballot hall of famer and an ATG with or without the 3. Whatever he does is just the cherry on top. He does not need them (although that also depends how responsible Floyd is with his money), but I do think a Martinez fight could be good for boxing in a way. I know you don't agree, but I do think it would still be a compelling fight even at 154 as long as Martinez gets the time he requests to lose weight.

A year or two ago, I can see Martinez going down and nobody questioning it much but next year will make it almost 5 years that he hasn't fought at 154. At this stage, going down to 154 would be asking a lot from Martinez. It is harder to do as you get older. Possibly it can be made at a CW but then again it was Floyd who recently said that he wants to fight his opponents at their best weight. He's also said a Martinez fight is possible at a CW, which Martinez has offered as long as he is given time to lose the weight. He also fought JMM at a CW above the JWW limit even though JMM had never fought above LW up to that point.

Floyd also probably only has a few fights left in him, so I do hope Martinez and Floyd still fight. I do think Martinez is a willing opponent and if given time to lose weight in a relatively healthy manner would fight Floyd. After their respective fights in April and May the ball is in Floyd's court. I truly believe that. It would probably be difficult for Martinez, but if given the requested amount of time then I have no problem just as I had no major problem with Ward fighting Dawson at 168. Martinez is an adult and a champion and it would be his own decision. A year or two ago, I can see Martinez going down and nobody questioning it much but next year will make it almost 5 years that he hasn't fought at 154. At this stage, going down to 154 would be asking a lot from Martinez. It is harder to do as you get older. Possibly it can be made at a CW but then again it was Floyd who recently said that he wants to fight his opponents at their best weight.

I agree that Martinez is questionable now with that injury and also knowing that if a fight with Floyd would happen, it would not happen for another 10 months or so. Age will be a question for Martinez. Even Martinez is now stating that he only has a few fights left in him. Its unfortunate for Floyd because whoever is there now will not help his resume much. Manny just lost, Martinez fight doesn't look like it can be made and Martinez is getting up there in age (close to retirement). Canelo has to still prove he can beat top fighters and needs more time/experience. Guerrero just moved up to WW and all he did was what Ortiz already did (ie. beat Berto). Previously, Floyd had good options that he let go by. Now time is running out and the options are not that great unless he waits for those fighters to be credible opponents by boosting up their resume .... but time will not be on his side and he isn't the type to fight those opponents when they are high risk opponents. Floyd also probably only has a few fights left in him, so I do hope Martinez and Floyd still fight. I do think Martinez is a willing opponent and if given time to lose weight in a relatively healthy manner would fight Floyd. After their respective fights in April and May the ball is in Floyd's court. I truly believe that. It would probably be difficult for Martinez, but if given the requested amount of time then I have no problem just as I had no major problem with Ward fighting Dawson at 168. Martinez is an adult and a champion and it would be his own decision.

if sergio was worth some coin he would've fought him already and sergio would've lost by 3 or 4 rounds For Floyd its a balancing act between money and risk. For example, Manny was going to bring him more money than anyone else but Floyd would not take the risk. Martinez, I'm sure would have brought in close to the same money as some of his previous opponents if not more. The reason is that Floyd would not be heavily favored unlike his previous opponents. That attracts many fans ..... but the risk of losing was just too high that Floyd would not have gone for that.

if sergio was worth some coin he would've fought him already and sergio would've lost by 3 or 4 rounds I don't know. Floyd is running out of options in terms of a big money fight. I really think Sergio is the most marketable opponent for Floyd outside of Canelo. It does look unlikely now, but I hope it eventually gets done (assuming neither loses in the near future).

if sergio was worth some coin he would've fought him already and sergio would've lost by 3 or 4 rounds

I don't like a 39 year old coming off of surgery having to move down to 154 for a payday. That's all that fight is for Martinez. He got his payday vs Chavez jr and is making millions fighting other guys as well. Fight should be at 160 if it were to ever happen. I just don't think it will. I agree that Martinez is questionable now with that injury and also knowing that if a fight with Floyd would happen, it would not happen for another 10 months or so. Age will be a question for Martinez. Even Martinez is now stating that he only has a few fights left in him. Its unfortunate for Floyd because whoever is there now will not help his resume much. Manny just lost, Martinez fight doesn't look like it can be made and Martinez is getting up there in age (close to retirement). Canelo has to still prove he can beat top fighters and needs more time/experience. Guerrero just moved up to WW and all he did was what Ortiz already did (ie. beat Berto). Previously, Floyd had good options that he let go by. Now time is running out and the options are not that great unless he waits for those fighters to be credible opponents by boosting up their resume .... but time will not be on his side and he isn't the type to fight those opponents when they are high risk opponents.

I don't like a 39 year old coming off of surgery having to move down to 154 for a payday. That's all that fight is for Martinez. He got his payday vs Chavez jr and is making millions fighting other guys as well. Fight should be at 160 if it were to ever happen. I just don't think it will. Fair enough, but Sergio seems to want the fight. I certainly do think money is the primary factor motivating Sergio, but I do think he believes he has a plan to beat Floyd. He's made it clear he thinks Floyd is the best fighter in the world, so there is a legacy component for him I believe. There's also a lot more money in a fight with Floyd than a Chavez Jr. rematch. Martinez still makes significantly less than say someone like Mayweather does, so I'm sure he'd like the fight with Mayweather so as further secure his financial future.

well i agree with you on some points but you said he lost to several fighters, it was actually 2 that he lost to, and we cannot forget that these ar professional fighters losing is a part of it but ur not saying much wrong! Cotto vs Floyd would have been a big fight prior to Cotto losing to Manny and Margarito the way he did. Also in the eyes of many, Cotto may have lost to Clottey as well. Its not just about losing 2 fights. Its the way he lost. After that, Floyd fighting Cotto was NOT the same. Even some Floyd fans admitted to that. Its not hard to comprehend. The point is that the fight earlier this year was just a money fight for Floyd. Floyd himself said that Cotto may not be the same after those fights and brought up the near loss to Clottey. Floyd knows how to pick fighters who generate the biggest money while taking less risk. He can do what he wants but the problem is when his fans try to say it isn't so.

Very True. There are times when it becomes rediculous and its about now.

well if he ducked the welterweight champion he isnt going to fight the fcuking middleweight champ is he!!!!!!!!! viva ortiz!!!!!!