Joe Calzaghe's win over B-HOP is so underrated it's unreal.
B-Hop went on to dominate a PRIME PAVLIK and beat Prime Pascal.. (arguably twice)
he's still not quite done yet..
Calzaghe beat KESSLER at his best.. Ward just beat Calzaghe's left overs.
Should I bother waiting for more?
Im only counting wins against ATGs and Oscar/Marquez is seriously stretching it. Be happy I even put them in the same league as the others.
Joe Louis is the greatest Heavyweight ever.
Archie Moore is top 30 p4p.
Roy Jones top 50 p4p
Hopkins top 50 p4p
In other words, criteria that very neatly and conveniently fits your agenda.
Oscar and Marquez were both in better shape than Joe Louis and Roy Jones.
I could go fight Jake LaMotta at his house right now, and hopefully win. That would give me more wins over ATGs than Ricardo Lopez.
Now does that make me a better fighter?
I personally rank Louis #1 at heavyweight as well, but in terms of wins over ATGs, Ali blows him straight out of the water with Foreman, Liston and Frazier.
So how do you rank Louis higher given your criteria here?
Joe Louis and Roy Jones Jr. were completely shot at that stage of their career.
Walcott and Kessler are better wins. Ezzard Charles is a better win than Archie Moore.
And I assume it was intentional that you only listed two wins for each fighter.
Im only counting wins against ATGs and Oscar/Marquez is seriously stretching it. Be happy I even put them in the same league as the others.
Joe Louis is the greatest Heavyweight ever.
Archie Moore is top 30 p4p.
Roy Jones top 50 p4p
Hopkins top 50 p4p
Marciano
Joe Louis
Archie Moore
Calzaghe
Roy Jones Jr
Bernard Hopkins
Mayweather
Oscar De La Hoya
Juan Manuel Marquez
Mayweather has the weakest resume of the 3.
Joe Louis and Roy Jones Jr. were completely shot at that stage of their career.
Walcott and Kessler are better wins. Ezzard Charles is a better win than Archie Moore.
And I assume it was intentional that you only listed two wins for each fighter.
Marciano
Joe Louis
Archie Moore
Calzaghe
Roy Jones Jr
Bernard Hopkins
Mayweather
Oscar De La Hoya
Juan Manuel Marquez
Mayweather has the weakest resume of the 3.
When you go through Marciano's resume you see that although there are some very good wins at the end, the rest of it is just complete no-namers. That's what you should expect of a 7 year career from a late starter. Well done to Marciano for getting out while on top.
But I think Floyd is significantly greater.
Hernandez
Corrales
Castillo
De La Hoya
Hatton
JMM
Shot Mosley
Cotto
Versus
Charles
Walcott
Shot Louis
****ell
LaStarza
Moore.
I'm going with Floyd
Marciano did have a great record, with 49 wins with 43 by KO. He faught much different than Mayweather, going head first into the action. Technically Marciano was not a more sound boxer, but his chin and power puts him in another category. With wins against, Moore, Charles, La Starza, Louis, and Wilcott; solidify his greatness as One of the greatest boxers and if not the greatest heavyweight!
Not even close
He's been knocked down, once officially. It wasn't a knock down, but then I just pretend that when he got properly knocked down by Judah and the ref missed it that it counts for that one instead.
So yes, he's been knocked down.
Counter right hook, from memory, to Floyds straight right. The fact that Pac has a right hook that makes Judahs look like junk makes me think he could have caught Floyd coming in shooting that straight right. Sadly, we'll never know.
As for the OP, its certainly up for debate I think.
The best names Floyd beat, Oscar, Mosley and Marquez were all old or smaller guys moving up. He has some excellent wins against Hernandez, Castillo and Corrales too.
However, if we go by that, Marciano does have greater name power. Ezzard Charles is a top ten P4P ATG (some have him top 20).
Joe Louis, was old and shot, but is also an ATG.
Archie Moore is put in the top 10/20 ATGs.
Jersey Joe Walcott is among the greatest ever too.
Those four alone are much greater than anything on Floyds resume and while they were past their best, so were Oscar and Mosley while Marquez was moving up two divisions for his first ever fight at 147 never having fought above 135.
You know what division Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore came from dont you?
Neither of them are rated highly as heavyweights.
Those guys had to fight constantly to make a living. Most present day fighters would beat the old timers. The training is different and guys are a lot stronger now.
Explain how old timers fought 15 rounds throwing blows while most of today s fighters can barely make it to the 12th and those who do, use Roids, like Mosley, Pacquiao, and Mayweather
I like Julio Chavez's resume better. He won his first 87 fights with no draws, no defeats and no close fights. In those 87 fights he won 11 times for the 130lb. world tittle with 9 KOs. He won 3 times all by KO for the world lightweight tittle and then won 11 tittle fights for the 140 pound world tittle with 9 of those wins by KO.So he had over twice the number of fights with no draws or loses as Floyd has had. Chavez had wins over Camacho, Meldrick Taylor, Roger Mayweather twice, Rosario, Ramirez, Haugen, and Lockridge and other good fighters in those 87 straight wins. Yes, he fought on past prime and lost some fights later. Floyd could lose also if he keeps fighting.
Marciano did have a great record, with 49 wins with 43 by KO. He faught much different than Mayweather, going head first into the action. Technically Marciano was not a more sound boxer, but his chin and power puts him in another category. With wins against, Moore, Charles, La Starza, Louis, and Wilcott; solidify his greatness as One of the greatest boxers and if not the greatest heavyweight!
no way u can compare floyd to the fighters of old... those guys are what u call throwback fighters and there was no ducking and dodging... his record is average for the new school fighters of the present but don,t think for one minute that he,s special... merry christmas to all and to all a goodnight...
Those guys had to fight constantly to make a living. Most present day fighters would beat the old timers. The training is different and guys are a lot stronger now.