Man, just stfu. It's obvious you have mental health issues that you have not solved yet.
This kind of reply reply fcuks me off....get out of jail free card or what....typical thick kunt post when they have started an arguement and then can`t back themselves up when questioned for more insightful answers...
Don`t worry fella I`m out of this thread you dumb as schit fcuker.
P.S Since you are such a dumb a$$ and obviously need things explained to you slowly....before you start commenting that my spelling of certain words is wrong, please realise I am trying to mix letters up so that the words can be made out.
@Frank
Frank, you and Kristlee seem to be beefing pretty good.
Frank, you still didn't know who Cassius Clay was. LMFAO.
Like I told you before Frank, I eat, sleep & breathe boxing. With a sports medicine twist. I'm educated.
Don't try to knowledge check me man .... your gonna loose.
I said it once, i'll say it again. Vitali destroys Ali down the stretch.
I don't know why you're such a Vitali hater but the guy is a ATG heavyweight. I mean, come on Frank, the guy has a 87percent KO ratio. The guy has been a machine in the ring. Hate him or love him, give the guy his credit.
In that case please enlighten me and give me a history lesson relevant to why Ali originally had a slavers name and not the name of his parents (Clay) as I`m obviously missing the point and haven`t got a clue about what you and the other bloke are trying to say...
I already said that had they changed their names before Ali was born then he wouldn`t have had Clay as a surname but one of their choosing but as they didn`t change their names he got his surname from them (whether or not they originally got the surname from some slavers is beside the point as Ali got the surname Clay from his parents and wasn`t given it by slavers).
Please give me a history lesson though as there must be something I don`t know and am arguing a point that doesn`t matter.
Oh and why we are on the subject of history, wasn`t it the British who got slavery and slave trading abolished so get off your high horses with your black militant crap and stop thinking every non black fcuker (i.e white) is against you and black folk have been so persecuted throughout history because you aren`t the only ones who have had a hard time of it.
Before you try and play the racist card my grandmother was Jewish, I am married to an Asian, I have a 10 year old daughter from a previous relationship in Sierra Leone (Freetown funnily enough where I believe the black folk returned to Africa when slavery was abolished and hence the name Freetown) so I couldn`t care less about race, creed, religion, culture etc as my own background is a right old hodge podge.
Please though, give me a History lesson as I`m obviously a thick fcuker and as dense as a Brazillian rain forrest and you are such an intellectual whizz.
Man, just stfu. It's obvious you have mental health issues that you have not solved yet.
What you just wrote show you have no sense of history, lmmfao! Goddamn, hilarious!
In that case please enlighten me and give me a history lesson relevant to why Ali originally had a slavers name and not the name of his parents (Clay) as I`m obviously missing the point and haven`t got a clue about what you and the other bloke are trying to say...
I already said that had they changed their names before Ali was born then he wouldn`t have had Clay as a surname but one of their choosing but as they didn`t change their names he got his surname from them (whether or not they originally got the surname from some slavers is beside the point as Ali got the surname Clay from his parents and wasn`t given it by slavers).
Please give me a history lesson though as there must be something I don`t know and am arguing a point that doesn`t matter.
Oh and why we are on the subject of history, wasn`t it the British who got slavery and slave trading abolished so get off your high horses with your black militant crap and stop thinking every non black fcuker (i.e white) is against you and black folk have been so persecuted throughout history because you aren`t the only ones who have had a hard time of it.
Before you try and play the racist card my grandmother was Jewish, I am married to an Asian, I have a 10 year old daughter from a previous relationship in Sierra Leone (Freetown funnily enough where I believe the black folk returned to Africa when slavery was abolished and hence the name Freetown) so I couldn`t care less about race, creed, religion, culture etc as my own background is a right old hodge podge.
Please though, give me a History lesson as I`m obviously a thick fcuker and as dense as a Brazillian rain forrest and you are such an intellectual whizz.
Yes his surname Clay probably originated from slave owners but he got that name from his parents.... Cassius Marcellus Clay, Sr & Odessa O'Grady Clay...if they had changed their surnames to a non white slave owner name before he was born he would have been given a different surname but they didn`t so he got his surname from his parents...
Muhammad Ali is not a proper African name either....it is Muslim and specifically originates in Arabic countries....you could say it`s a North African or any largely Muslim populated African country name but then again it still originated in Arabic countries.
Africa is quite a large continent and consists of many countries (not all Muslim) you know so by saying he has a proper African name you are way off the mark.
Stupid is as stupid does so eff off you c0k sucker..
What you just wrote show you have no sense of history, lmmfao! Goddamn, hilarious!
You dont know **** about muhammad ali!
Elijah Muhammad gave him his proper african name, he didnt name himself, god you are stupid.
and his parents didnt give him the name "clay" either, that was his slave name from white slave owners. You are so stupid and ignorant.
Yes his surname Clay probably originated from slave owners but he got that name from his parents.... Cassius Marcellus Clay, Sr & Odessa O'Grady Clay...if they had changed their surnames to a non white slave owner name before he was born he would have been given a different surname but they didn`t so he got his surname from his parents...
Muhammad Ali is not a proper African name either....it is Muslim and specifically originates in Arabic countries....you could say it`s a North African or any largely Muslim populated African country name but then again it still originated in Arabic countries.
Africa is quite a large continent and consists of many countries (not all Muslim) you know so by saying he has a proper African name you are way off the mark.
Stupid is as stupid does so eff off you c0k sucker..
Being British I am not a fan boy of Vitali.....I respect him as a great modern day heavy weight boxer who has been around during most of my adult years.
This is being a fan boy...
Backing boxers from my home country and hoping beyond hope that they will win even when I know they are **** or complete knob ends (such as David H, Amir K)..
Or is that being patriotic?.....or on this forum with regards boxing is being a fan boy and patriotic the same thing lol.
I live in the Philippines and even though I had a gut feeling JMM was going to finally get the win I still backed MP (JMM is an elite fighter too who KTFO of MP so does that mean MP is just a fine fighter if I use the same comparison as yours above or would you say it was elite v elite so win or lose etc they are still considered great?).
So, now we have established that I am not a fan boy of Vitali but I can be considered a fan boy where I have roots or interests....I have no ties with the Ukraine therefore it doesn`t bother me if Vitali wins, loses, quits, but regardless of his results in my opinion he is still a modern time great who would have been an all time great had he been around in Alis` era.You don't have to be of the same ethnicity or country to be a fan boy of a fighter. I loved Marquez to death before he even fought Pac, and I'm a black militant from dirty Jerz. To this day when Marquez and Norwood fought, I didn't want to see that fight because I liked both guys, but I knew that they had to fight each other.
No, he didn't give himself his own name.
You dont know **** about muhammad ali!
Elijah Muhammad gave him his proper african name, he didnt name himself, god you are stupid.
and his parents didnt give him the name "clay" either, that was his slave name from white slave owners. You are so stupid and ignorant.
You are a fan boy of Vitali. Vitali is a fine fighter, but he quit against Byrd and lost to Lewis-two elite fighters that he faced and lost to. Vitali will never be seen as great as Ali-ever!
Being British I am not a fan boy of Vitali.....I respect him as a great modern day heavy weight boxer who has been around during most of my adult years.
This is being a fan boy...
Backing boxers from my home country and hoping beyond hope that they will win even when I know they are **** or complete knob ends (such as David H, Amir K)..
Or is that being patriotic?.....or on this forum with regards boxing is being a fan boy and patriotic the same thing lol.
I live in the Philippines and even though I had a gut feeling JMM was going to finally get the win I still backed MP (JMM is an elite fighter too who KTFO of MP so does that mean MP is just a fine fighter if I use the same comparison as yours above or would you say it was elite v elite so win or lose etc they are still considered great?).
So, now we have established that I am not a fan boy of Vitali but I can be considered a fan boy where I have roots or interests....I have no ties with the Ukraine therefore it doesn`t bother me if Vitali wins, loses, quits, but regardless of his results in my opinion he is still a modern time great who would have been an all time great had he been around in Alis` era.
The GOAT mutherfcuker.....however, if Vitali was around in those days he would be revered as the GOAT instead....
I`m no big fan of Vitali but I recognise him as a modern day great heavyweight (who would already have been an all time great had he been around in Alis` era but he will one day be remembered as an all time great heavyweight anyway) and will speak the truth and what I think as i am no biased fanboy....or someone elses` alt for that matter.
Let us not detract though as this thread was your official top 10 pfp list and debate.....which is utter bollocks by the way!!!You are a fan boy of Vitali. Vitali is a fine fighter, but he quit against Byrd and lost to Lewis-two elite fighters that he faced and lost to. Vitali will never be seen as great as Ali-ever!
Thats not his real name you stupid ****, thats his slave name given by the white devil. He was reborn and took his proper african name, muhammed ali.
Lmmfao! I can always depend on El to provide humor and realness into a sarcastic situation lmao!
Thats not his real name you stupid ****, thats his slave name given by the white devil. He was reborn and took his proper african name, muhammed ali.
No, his parents gave him that name and then he converted to Islam and gave himself a Muslim name.
Bradley spanked that poochiao ass!
Aye he did like!!!:wtf:.....I`ll have to find that fight out and watch it again as that wasn`t they way it went down as far as I can recall.
Can you guys believe User: Frank Ducketts just asked me who Cassius Clay was.
Anybody on the planet who knows anything about boxing knows what Muhammed Ali's real name is!
Haha lol @ Frank.
Like I said before Frank, I know my shit Frank.
Like I said before Frank, Vitali destroys Muhammed Ali, or should I say Cassius Clay.
Thats not his real name you stupid ****, thats his slave name given by the white devil. He was reborn and took his proper african name, muhammed ali.