What are the ingredients necessary to produce an ATG fighter. I am curious about what you guys have to say about this. There will be the obvious stuff, but maybe you will add some stuff that others haven't considered. Some stuff might be controversial. So, let's hear it.
A great chin and heart great offense and great defense a great corner and the will to fight every fighter in their prime. As long as you fight the best when your the best win or lose you will be an ATG
Great, thanks, everybody. You all gave great answers and there was good debates between you dudes. However, I was hoping some of you dudes would talk about another thing, but I don't think I saw it. The thing I am talking about is poverty. I think so many of the great fighters that we've had have come from very poor beginnings. Like they say, boxing is a poor man's sport and I don't think that can be denied. It's a brutal sport, but it is also one which gives opportunity to those who are willing to sacrifice everything for it. I am probably gonna make a thread about poverty and boxing, since I think it is very important and since it has a lot to do with the current condition of boxing in America. I think poverty is something that might be overlooked when we talk about the conditions necessary to have great fighters.
Sorry as usual you made no sense! :WORD: Poor thing...cant even put a sentence together without fu~king it up! You need to reload your train of thought. :WORD:
Just making sure you read it .
hehehehe:WORD: JMM 1st time in a division two weight classes away from his last fight. Floyd didnt make the CW and out weighed JMM. And put on so much weight on fight night that he refused to get on the unofficial scale that everyone ALWAYS does! It looked like butter bean vs a straw weight in the ring. :WORD:
JMM had a big money fight and could have refused the fight. But he chose the money instead. Do the math! :WORD:
I dont the the maths on you a long time ago , you know nothing about boxing your just a hype swallower .
Floyd was lighter than Manny after being out for 2 yrs , have a think about that !
Fight the best prime fighters in your division, if you move up fight prime fighters not when they have become has beens. Don't retire when the going gets tough only to come back after the dust has settled. When moving up in weight don't ask for catch weights to collect a belt. Can you imagine if Roberto Duran ask Ray leonard, Iran Barkley Davey Moore for catch weights he would have been laughed at . Last don't become a Duck Master or Cherry picker the fans will remember that more than the belts you collect by beating has beens or drained fighters
That what happens when you fight. Thats Boxing. Not Ducking! hehehehe
Rahman Kod Lewis....Lewis Kod Rahman....Thats Boxing. Invalid Point! As usual!
Funny Floyd fought the exact same guy and had none of these issues
Heart + Skills
or in some cases, careful cherry picking/ducking, fighting once a year against blown up Lightweigths and Superfeather weights. Throw in some mentally weak fighters they have to sucker punch...... but wait were getting ahead of ourselves they need to get past a beast like Berto first.
do all of that and you're an ATG
Good chin + loaded gloves=greatness
It is all totally subjective. The word 'great' can mean several things, depending on the interpretation of the person making the decisions, or the people reading the results of other peoples decisions. A better question would have been, what is your interpretation of the word 'great', when used in reference to a fighter?
Some people see greatness as only belonging to the top 5-6 fighters of all-time. Others can go through each era and pick out 10 great fighters from each. The phrase is totally subjective.
In my opinion the word 'great' can only be used when referring to a guy who is so good, he can destroy people without taking any damage, he can dominate his weight division, he has beautiful boxing skills, a good boxing IQ, and the respect/fear of his peers. A great fighter also has to show consistency.
Greatness is not something were you look at a fighters whole career in retrospect and say, 'Oh, that was a great fighter...'. In my opinion, greatness is a fleeting thing, which comes on in flashes, and is gone just as quickly as it got here. Think Jack Johnson in his absolute prime. When he really put to it, he was great, for a time. But before he became regarded as the legit world champ, there was talk of thrown fights, crooked fights, taking exhibitions against a really poor level of opponent. None of that was great.
His greatness was in the way he could toy with opponents, he had the white led boxing establishment running scared, trying to protect their fighters like a shepherd with a stick, trying to protect his herd from a hungry lion. And when he finally forced the issue, he fulfilled his destiny and became the world heavyweight champion, that is when greatness reared its head. It didn't last long however, and it is hard to establish when it left. I'd say it ran through a seven or eight fight period in his absolute prime.
Heart + Skills
or in some cases, careful cherry picking/ducking, fighting once a year against blown up Lightweigths and Superfeather weights. Throw in some mentally weak fighters they have to sucker punch...... but wait were getting ahead of ourselves they need to get past a beast like Berto first.
do all of that and you're an ATG