Ward-Martinez is Not The Same As Martinez-Mayweather

Actually I was talking about 160. I don't believe in catch weights for any fighter. If Floyd and Martinez fought at 154 and Martinez' fight night weight was contractually limited to no more than 160 lbs or 162 lbs would you accept that? It's possible Martinez would.

When did Floyd say he could beat Martinez?Roger Mayweather said that and Floyd senior said that but not Floyd jnr.And why isn`t Martinez calling Floyd out?He choose a bum to fight in Argentina even though Floyd hav`nt even pick out an opponent yet for May. Martinez fought Chavez junior and Pavlik,both of those fighters on fight night weigh about the same as Ward at super-middleweight.And Martinez had said he would fight Froch if Froch beat Ward in the super six.Why can`t he fight Ward since Ward won?Its styles that`s why.people like Chavez Jnr and Pavlik are big fighters with limited skills.While Ward is a versatile boxing scientist. Martinez at 154 will still be bigger then Floyd no matter how you slice it, just like Ward would be bigger then Martinez. And Ward was willing to meet Martinez at a catchweight at first but Martinez turned it down.Martinez don`t want to take on no opponents who have a good chance at beating him. First off, I assume that he decided to fight in Argentina in April because he knew Floyd was not going to choose him for a fight in May. I don't think Martinez would risk losing the money that could be had from such a fight and the potential boost it could give to his legacy depending on the circumstances. Jeff Mayweather also said Floyd would beat Martinez. If all of them are saying this I get the feeling Floyd would say the same if pressed or told them he thought he could win. You think he would tell them to stop saying that after the first one said that or at least after the second time it was said by one of them if he thought he would lose. I can understand why Martinez wants to fight in Argentina and Murray is not a terrible fighter. I can also understand why he does not want to fight the most dangerous opponent there or in general right now. Chavez was widely considered the number 2 MW (not saying he necessarily was as much needs to be resolved in the division), so he didn't dodge him. Martinez is 38 and unlike Floyd has not been a star for years, so he is trying to secure big money fights before it is too late. Murray is a stop gap before he fights Chavez again or Floyd decides to fight him. If he beats Chavez again then I'm sure he would love to and possibly only look to challenge Floyd or Canelo in 2014 depending on how things work themselves out.

Floyd is a beltholder at 154 (which is the highest weight a Martinez-Floyd fight would take place at), while Martinez is not one at 168. Martinez has offered Floyd a lower catch weight, while Ward has not done the same for Martinez from what I have seen. Martinez would likely accept restrictions on his fight night weight or he has at least said he would try to lose the weight necessary to make a catchweight of 152 or 150 in as healthy manner as possible (suggests he would decrease the weight he walks around at). Again, Ward has not offered this. Ward is like 8 years younger than Martinez, while Floyd is two years younger. Thus Floyd would be fighting a bigger, but older man who would probably be weight-drained in some way, while Sergio would be fighting a fighter that is both bigger and younger. Not to mention that Ward wouldn't be weight-drained at all if they fought at 168. I also think Ward would make better use of his size advantage than Martinez would against Floyd given their respective styles. Size would likely only make a difference for Sergio in regards to power then, but even this may be tempered by draining. Martinez (at least his team does) admits he would lose to Ward partially due to his size, while Floyd's team including his uncles have said he would beat Martinez. If they believe he would still win then what is the problem? If Floyd is willing to fight Canelo then his reasoning for not fighting Martinez is not purely based on size. Canelo comes into his fights at pretty much the same weight Martinez does and Floyd already fought Victor Ortiz who came into their fight at 164 lbs. I guess the argument can be turned around on Martinez given that he fought the much bigger Chavez Jr., but I think Martinez' team would admit he is far less skilled than Ward (they must believe that given their reluctance to put him in there with Ward) and that the weight draining probably hurts his stamina a bit. Kelly Pavlik also significantly outweighed Martinez when they fought, so it isn't as if Martinez is completely afraid to fight bigger fighters. Thus if he does end up fighting Canelo then he is probably not fighting Martinez for a combination of reasons. Size may very well play a role, but skill and less drawing power would likely be more important. Essentially Floyd and his team should put up or shut up when they say he can beat Martinez. When did Floyd say he could beat Martinez?Roger Mayweather said that and Floyd senior said that but not Floyd jnr.And why isn`t Martinez calling Floyd out?He choose a bum to fight in Argentina even though Floyd hav`nt even pick out an opponent yet for May. Martinez fought Chavez junior and Pavlik,both of those fighters on fight night weigh about the same as Ward at super-middleweight.And Martinez had said he would fight Froch if Froch beat Ward in the super six.Why can`t he fight Ward since Ward won?Its styles that`s why.people like Chavez Jnr and Pavlik are big fighters with limited skills.While Ward is a versatile boxing scientist. Martinez at 154 will still be bigger then Floyd no matter how you slice it, just like Ward would be bigger then Martinez. And Ward was willing to meet Martinez at a catchweight at first but Martinez turned it down.Martinez don`t want to take on no opponents who have a good chance at beating him.

They are both older fighters. The age has nothing to do with it because they are both going to be 36 and 38. What's the difference? You didn't read my comment or maybe you didn't understand it.

I also would like to add that Martinez's walk around weight is higher than Carl's. Martinez 176 lbs carl 173 lbs http://ring tv.crave online. com/blog/174345-lems-latest-chavez-jr-176-martinez-174-a-month-out Martinez 30 weigh-in v. Chavez Jr was 174, now give me a source for Froch's walk around weight that isn't an opinion. I'll wait...

Actually I was talking about 160. I don't believe in catch weights for any fighter. True.... My bad.... It would be HUGE if Floyd fought him and beat him at 160.... But considering where Floyd came from that is unrealistic and something I don't expect or have a problem with in the least not happening

It's harder to move up in weight when your older, Martinez has hit his ceiling at 160 pounds. Mayweather on the other hand has been going back and forth between 147 and 154 since 2007 (when he was 29). In the last five or six years, Mayweather has fought four times at 147 and twice at 154 (including his most recent fight). They are both older fighters. The age has nothing to do with it because they are both going to be 36 and 38. What's the difference?

Here are the average weights for Floyd, Froch and Martinez in the last 3 years: Floyd: 147.37 Martinez: 158.39 Froch:167.32 Froch's Bruising style vs Martinez's slickness would make for a fantastic scrap. Its such an obvious blockbuster yet no one has put these two names together. Tell Froch to call out Martinez then, and if he wants Martinez's belts he can fight him at 160. If not they can meet at 164 catchweight since Froch is such a 'small super middleweight.'

I also would like to add that Martinez's walk around weight is higher than Carl's. Martinez 176 lbs carl 173 lbs

If Martinez can make 54 why not??? Ward cant make 60 Actually I was talking about 160. I don't believe in catch weights for any fighter.

Mayweather will be 36. What's your point in regards to age? It's harder to move up in weight when your older, Martinez has hit his ceiling at 160 pounds. Mayweather on the other hand has been going back and forth between 147 and 154 since 2007 (when he was 29). In the last five or six years, Mayweather has fought four times at 147 and twice at 154 (including his most recent fight).

Here are the average weights for Floyd, Froch and Martinez in the last 3 years: Floyd: 147.37 Martinez: 158.39 Froch:167.32 Froch's Bruising style vs Martinez's slickness would make for a fantastic scrap. Its such an obvious blockbuster yet no one has put these two names together.

One big fact that your leaving out is that Mayweather at 154 is in his fifth division. It seems people keep moving the goal post for him. He started at 130, not 147. Martinez started at 147 and has spent most of his career at 154 and now 160. If you are going to compare them, Martinez should not get a catch weight at 168 which would be his fourth division. Mayweather has never fought a championship fight at a catch weight. With that, Martinez shouldn't expect one against Ward. If Martinez can make 54 why not??? Ward cant make 60

Your leaving one thing out...... 154 is Floyd's 5th weight class, 24 lbs above where he started. Floyd can't even make 154 and is like 147-150 on his fight nights. Sergio is on his 3rd weight class at 160, and weighs close to 170 lbs on fight night. In terms of actual size....Sergio is closer to Ward than to Floyd, that's a fact. Sergio is like 20 lbs bigger than Floyd in size. Ward is about 10 lbs bigger than Martinez. Sergios 5th weight class would be CW..... He doesn't have 5lbs separating the divisions he has competed in.... He also claims he can make 54... If both can make 54 why not (though I don't want to see it)??? Ward cant make 160

Floyd weighed 150 vs Ortiz. Pac weighed in 151 in JMM 4. Floyd is a small dude. He weighed less than Judah when they fought. Came in 150 for cotto weigh in. I dont think he cut 4 extra pounds for fun. Probably wasnt very much over that on fight night. I'm sure Mayweather at 154 weighs above 150 seeing as he weighed in at 151 against Cotto at the official weigh-in. If you ask me his fight night weight against Cotto was somewhere between 154-156, but we can't know for sure because he usually refuses to weigh himself on fight night.

Youre right its not the same fight. Floyd is on his 5th weight class at 154. Martinez is on his 2nd and doesnt want to go to a 3rd. Known fight night weights: Mayweather 150 vs Ortiz unknown vs Cotto but 150 at the weigh in Sergio 168 vs Chavez, 170 vs barker Ward 175 vs Dawson Tell Sergio to stop being a ***** and fight Ward. Ward only weighs 5-7 more pounds than him fight night. Sergio is closer to ward in size than he is to floyd, that is a FACT. Floyd has done 5 weight classes, sergio cant handle a 3rd. Martinez actually started at 147. Martinez has never weighed as much as 170 from what I have seen and if he did it was only once. I've read he was 165 vs. Barker. Martinez is also going to be 38. Floyd did most of movement up when he was young. His team has admitted he would lose, but not Floyd.

Youre right its not the same fight. Floyd is on his 5th weight class at 154. Martinez is on his 2nd and doesnt want to go to a 3rd. Known fight night weights: Mayweather 150 vs Ortiz unknown vs Cotto but 150 at the weigh in Sergio 168 vs Chavez, 170 vs barker Ward 175 vs Dawson Tell Sergio to stop being a ***** and fight Ward. Ward only weighs 5-7 more pounds than him fight night. Sergio is closer to ward in size than he is to floyd, that is a FACT. Floyd has done 5 weight classes, sergio cant handle a 3rd. Stop making up numbers, not even you believe your own sh*t. Martinez weighed 165 pounds against Barker. According to Nathan Nathan Lewkowicz he weighed 167 on fight night against Chavez Jr.

Floyd is a beltholder at 154 (which is the highest weight a Martinez-Floyd fight would take place at), while Martinez is not one at 168. Martinez has offered Floyd a lower catch weight, while Ward has not done the same for Martinez from what I have seen. Martinez would likely accept restrictions on his fight night weight or he has at least said he would try to lose the weight necessary to make a catchweight of 152 or 150 in as healthy manner as possible (suggests he would decrease the weight he walks around at). Again, Ward has not offered this. Ward is like 8 years younger than Martinez, while Floyd is two years younger. Thus Floyd would be fighting a bigger, but older man who would probably be weight-drained in some way, while Sergio would be fighting a fighter that is both bigger and younger. Not to mention that Ward wouldn't be weight-drained at all if they fought at 168. I also think Ward would make better use of his size advantage than Martinez would against Floyd given their respective styles. Size would likely only make a difference for Sergio in regards to power then, but even this may be tempered by draining. Martinez (at least his team does) admits he would lose to Ward partially due to his size, while Floyd's team including his uncles have said he would beat Martinez. If they believe he would still win then what is the problem? If Floyd is willing to fight Canelo then his reasoning for not fighting Martinez is not purely based on size. Canelo comes into his fights at pretty much the same weight Martinez does and Floyd already fought Victor Ortiz who came into their fight at 164 lbs. I guess the argument can be turned around on Martinez given that he fought the much bigger Chavez Jr., but I think Martinez' team would admit he is far less skilled than Ward (they must believe that given their reluctance to put him in there with Ward) and that the weight draining probably hurts his stamina a bit. Kelly Pavlik also significantly outweighed Martinez when they fought, so it isn't as if Martinez is completely afraid to fight bigger fighters. Thus if he does end up fighting Canelo then he is probably not fighting Martinez for a combination of reasons. Size may very well play a role, but skill and less drawing power would likely be more important. Essentially Floyd and his team should put up or shut up when they say he can beat Martinez. Not bad.... Good points

Be real about it. Floyd is too small for Martinez. He looked small in with Cotto for ****s sake and Sergio would toy with Cotto. Ward is also far too big and prime for Sergio. Neither fight is realistic. Floyd weighed 150 vs Ortiz. Pac weighed in 151 in JMM 4. Floyd is a small dude. He weighed less than Judah when they fought. Came in 150 for cotto weigh in. I dont think he cut 4 extra pounds for fun. Probably wasnt very much over that on fight night.

Be real about it. Floyd is too small for Martinez. He looked small in with Cotto for ****s sake and Sergio would toy with Cotto. Ward is also far too big and prime for Sergio. Neither fight is realistic. Then why doesn't Floyd or his team just say it? Martinez' team has said that in regard to Ward. Also, Alvarez comes into fights at about the same weight as Martinez from what I have read.