If Donaire retired today would he be in the hall of fame?

Is that like, not deserving, or no, he wouldn't make it? It's 2 different levels of delusion. Which of these recent inductees you think are more worthy: Gatti, Hill, Too Sharp Johnson? I don't think he deserves it though people have seemingly got in for less. I don't think any of them but out the three, Too sharp Johnson & Virgil Hill, you could probably make a case for but Gatti? Exciting fighter but just no. There are many I don't feel are really worthy of being in the HOF.

i dont believ that sorry i just cant take your word for it ..a guy fighting for a wbU was number 2 in the divison overall? hmmn sounds made up to me.. it's ok that you dont see them guys as a good wins for nonito but to count manfreddy whos inferior compare to those guys as floyd's good wins is just padding the hell out of floyd's resume... I don't recall if he was #2 but he was defintely in the Top 3. Here's a link for the end of the year rankings for 1998, where he was #4 (Just after Mayweather beat him) http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine%27s_Annual_Ratings:_Junior_Lightweight--1990s

you believe that arce & Darchinyan are hall of fame fighters............ ok. Darchinyan and Arce will most likely go into the HOF.

It is the Hall of Fame not Hall of Achievement.

Absolutely not, no way. Is that like, not deserving, or no, he wouldn't make it? It's 2 different levels of delusion. Which of these recent inductees you think are more worthy: Gatti, Hill, Too Sharp Johnson?

Absolutely not, no way.

i believe it is in his list There ya go, 1-3-1 against legit comp, with the only win coming at a catchweight he requested. He sure enhances Maidana and Josesito's resume, but would be a footnote on Donaire's.

Is Ortiz on this list of good Floyd wins? i believe it is in his list

i dont believ that sorry i just cant take your word for it ..a guy fighting for a wbU was number 2 in the divison overall? hmmn sounds made up to me.. it's ok that you dont see them guys as a good wins for nonito but to count manfreddy whos inferior compare to those guys as floyd's good wins is just padding the hell out of floyd's resume... Is Ortiz on this list of good Floyd wins?

More important than who is when. Yes, Manfredy was #2 by the RING when Floyd fought him. Sydorenko hadn't won a legit fight in 3 years, Vazquez never won a legit fight, Arce's last legit win was Vazquez who hadn't done anything legit himself. Those weren't good or solid wins for Donaire, I'm sorry. Darchinyan, Mthalane, H. Marquez, Montiel, Mathebula, and Nishioka. Those are Donaire's best wins. Pretty good, he should clean out 122 by fighting Mares and Rigondeaux next year. That's all that's left at 122. i dont believ that sorry i just cant take your word for it ..a guy fighting for a wbU was number 2 in the divison overall? hmmn sounds made up to me.. it's ok that you dont see them guys as a good wins for nonito but to count manfreddy whos inferior compare to those guys as floyd's good wins is just padding the hell out of floyd's resume...

i dont beleive for a second manfreddy was #2 , maybe one of the abc bodies but not overall which really does'nt mean sh1t when floyd fought him knowing he fought a 18-4 fighter prior to fighting floyd ..and the gatti fight was at 135 not 130..how is a good win for floyd but guys that are more accomplished than him are not good wins for nonito?. More important than who is when. Yes, Manfredy was #2 by the RING when Floyd fought him. Sydorenko hadn't won a legit fight in 3 years, Vazquez never won a legit fight, Arce's last legit win was Vazquez who hadn't done anything legit himself. Those weren't good or solid wins for Donaire, I'm sorry. Darchinyan, Mthalane, H. Marquez, Montiel, Mathebula, and Nishioka. Those are Donaire's best wins. Pretty good, he should clean out 122 by fighting Mares and Rigondeaux next year. That's all that's left at 122.

He could but i think he should aim for more, i think he could take Rigo, Mares then move up and take maybe someone like JuanMa, Gamboa and Salido. If he did that his name would be engraved in the stars forever and i think he's capabale of that.

Didn't say he was. Just said he was highly ranked when Manfredy beat him and coming off a couple solid wins. Manfredy beating him was a good win for Manfredy. Manfredy was #2 at 130 when Floyd beat him, that was a good win for Floyd, capped off his FOTY award he won in 1998. i dont beleive for a second manfreddy was #2 , maybe one of the abc bodies but not overall which really does'nt mean sh1t when floyd fought him knowing he fought a 18-4 fighter prior to fighting floyd ..and the gatti fight was at 135 not 130..how is a good win for floyd but guys that are more accomplished than him are not good wins for nonito?.

Vazquez had never beaten a top 10 fighter. I find it funny people label that a legit good win, and than say Rigo is a bum for fighting Ramos. Sydorenko hadn't won a meaningful fight in almost 3 years. Arce would have been better had it happened right after he beat Vazquez. But Arce had done jack s**t since. It was already a mismatch, they should have got it over with earlier than they did, but oh well. I'm not saying Donaire isn't great or won't be a HOF eventually. I give him full credit for beating Darchinyan, Mthalane, H. Marquez, Montiel, Mathebula, and Nishioka. Those all at the least ended up being anywhere from decent/solid to really good wins for him. I hold Donaire to the Floyd and Manny standard, he's P4P right now and one of the top 5 fighters in the world, he should be held to that standard. I see some people saying those are good wins, than slam Floyd for fighting Ortiz and Cotto in his last two fights, when both were top ranked fighters when he did. Dude nobody is saying Rigo is bum for fighting Ramos, just that the win looks much better on paper ("#2 sbw") than it is. Even Ramos is far from a bum, still gets crushed h2h by WV2

gatti was a warrior but he was never elite...vasquez was ranked , and the only reason arce was'nt ranked was coz he moved back to bw.. Didn't say he was. Just said he was highly ranked when Manfredy beat him and coming off a couple solid wins. Manfredy beating him was a good win for Manfredy. Manfredy was #2 at 130 when Floyd beat him, that was a good win for Floyd, capped off his FOTY award he won in 1998.

Sydorenko hadn't won a meaningful fight in almost 3 years when that fight happened...... Arce is small for 122, I don't care how much upper body muscle/weight he puts on. Anyone watching that fight could tell Arce didn't belong in there. You thought Narvaez was a good and legit fight at 118 for Donaire??? About the same as Dzinziruk, but at least Sydorenko fought world class comp previously: Moreno x2, Agbeko, Poon. And fought in his weight class with Donaire moving up, the opposite of SM Dzin. Donaire Narvaez is not a different fight at 112 and 115, Narvaez doesn't suddenly turn to ***** with 3 extra lbs. I mean, Moreno was inducted into most of p4p lists for Vic, who was well proven ineffective at 118, unlike Narvaez.

WV2 was #10 at 122, Narvaez was #1 at 115, Sydorenko was #6 i think at 118, Arce was taken off rankings for division hopping Give ANY other guy in that area those wins and they would be good but for Donaire they dont mean sh1t? Yea they arent amazing wins but maybe you shouldnt hold Donaire to such a ridiculous standerd Vazquez had never beaten a top 10 fighter. I find it funny people label that a legit good win, and than say Rigo is a bum for fighting Ramos. Sydorenko hadn't won a meaningful fight in almost 3 years. Arce would have been better had it happened right after he beat Vazquez. But Arce had done jack s**t since. It was already a mismatch, they should have got it over with earlier than they did, but oh well. I'm not saying Donaire isn't great or won't be a HOF eventually. I give him full credit for beating Darchinyan, Mthalane, H. Marquez, Montiel, Mathebula, and Nishioka. Those all at the least ended up being anywhere from decent/solid to really good wins for him. I hold Donaire to the Floyd and Manny standard, he's P4P right now and one of the top 5 fighters in the world, he should be held to that standard. I see some people saying those are good wins, than slam Floyd for fighting Ortiz and Cotto in his last two fights, when both were top ranked fighters when he did.

Manfredy was coming off beating Gatti (at a time Gatti was highly regarded) and was the highest ranked fighter at 130 other than Floyd when that happened......who had Vazquez, Sydorenko, and Arce beat before they fought Donaire??? gatti was a warrior but he was never elite...vasquez was ranked , and the only reason arce was'nt ranked was coz he moved back to bw..

Vazquez, Narvaez, Sydorenko, and Arce didn't really mean s**t to me. Vazquez never beat a top 10 fighter, Narvaez was clearly fighting in a weight class he didn't belong in, Sydorenko wasn't a good fight by the time Donaire got to him, and Arce hadn't done anything since beating the unproven Vazquez over 18 months prior, and was also a tiny guy for the weight class. Donaire has wins over Darchinyan, Mthalane, H. Marquez, Montiel, Mathebula, and Nishioka. WV2 was #10 at 122, Narvaez was #1 at 115, Sydorenko was #6 i think at 118, Arce was taken off rankings for division hopping Give ANY other guy in that area those wins and they would be good but for Donaire they dont mean sh1t? Yea they arent amazing wins but maybe you shouldnt hold Donaire to such a ridiculous standerd

How was Arce tiny, he was 135 fight night? Narvaez a champ at 112 and 115 same time Donaire was there, just wouldn't put up his belt. Now he's garbage with 3 more pounds. Sydorenko = slightly more proven Dzinziruk at that point. And you're right about WV2 not having any top 10 wins, but put him in against Rico Ramos and he'll get one in one sided fashion. Sydorenko hadn't won a meaningful fight in almost 3 years when that fight happened...... Arce is small for 122, I don't care how much upper body muscle/weight he puts on. Anyone watching that fight could tell Arce didn't belong in there. You thought Narvaez was a good and legit fight at 118 for Donaire???