Did Marquez Juice up for PacMan?

@chow Why would a boxer willingly fight at 5% bodyfat? They wouldn't come in at 5percent, because they couldn't come in at 5percent Chow. It's just not possible in boxing. Cross country runners are basically the only athletes that can come below 6percent. But because of the way their bodies work, and all the latic acid they create, they sacrifice muscle mass and look emaciated like a skeleton. In JMM's case he was at 5 percent 'with' muscle mass. That is a genetic anomally that isn't naturally occuring. It only happens with drugs. Only. The only other athletes who fall in the below 6 category are the body builders at the Olympia contest. I assure you, each and everyone of them is full doped to reach 3percent body fat.

Gold you just love taking punches huh! So in Pacland, if a fighter weighs more it doesn't equal bigger? Even though Pac weighed in bigger, and weighed in more on fight night? Oh wow this is some gold :lol1: So you are still equating "biggness" wit weight, correct? How incomprehensible can you get. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=578022&page=20 Go to the above link, and scroll down. The pics right there says it all. That is at the weigh-in. Pacquiao 147 JMM 143 Manny weighed more ..... but was defiantely SMALLER then JMM SO .... even though JMM weighd LESS, he was still BIGGER Get it yet??? Gold you are just delusional. JMM looked way bigger than Manny at the weigh-in and on fight night. Both occassions though JMM weighed less. JMM was still bigger though. I still don't know what fight you were watching in order to support your argument .....

its pretty simple to much of pacs weight is in his legs which leaves his upper body vulnerable in recent fights.

Hey wizard, learn to read previous posts You are one of the typical morons that claim that if you weigh more you are the bigger man regardless of a person body frame,so PAC weighed more so it means he was bigger then jmm you cant change your stupid rules because pac got koed like a whore now eat your self a nice turd pie you circus clown Hey wiz you really need to ready previous posts. Also, I don't think you comprehend things well. Try a college English writing course or something. I highlighted in red where your comprehension skills are lacking. User: GOLDSUGAR is the one saying Pacquiao weighed more so he was bigger. I was saying the opposite, that, even though Manny weighed more, JMM was actually far bigger than Manny.... even though JMM weighed LESS. Get it Wiz. Learn to read previous posts, and focus on your comprehension better.

You are one of the typical morons that claim that if you weigh more you are the bigger man regardless of a person body frame,so PAC weighed more so it means he was bigger then jmm you cant change your stupid rules because pac got koed like a whore now eat your self a nice turd pie you circus clown Classic riff raff jibberish. Nice try at expression wizard king. Good try! This fine. Just fine.

First, Mayweather lost power when he first moved up. Like all fighters do when they move up. Now we'll take the Paq fan route. Look at Paq's body, speed, and strength after hooking up with Ariza. I remember people photoshopping his body green like the Hulk on here due to how ripped he was looking. Now the proof. Ariza claims to be the mastermind, he talks **** and claims to be the mother****ing man and all that, always running his mouth. Truth is he just gets his EPO from Trevor Graham when Heredia is already knowledgeable about "the science of s&c." Why do you think Ariza praises Heredia? He knows who the ****ing man is when he sees it. Now I hope you Paqtards have some tissue ready... *In case you don't know who Trevor Graham is, he's one of the few Balco snitches. He supplies EPO.* So Paq fans, please shut the **** about Marquez using Heredia when Paq himself is using a known cheater. Please, just shut the **** up already, it's only going to hurt more than it already has. Because the truth is, Paq using "S&C science" couldn't stop Marquez. But Marquez using "S&C science" LAID PAQUIAO OUT RICKY HATTON STYLE. THE BEST OF PAQ'S CAREER WAS BULL****, period. The part that you quoted concerning Roach/Ariza using Graham is from a fake story & post created by Pacquiao hater a while back.. It was exposed as false and fabricated. There is no known link between Pacquiao and Graham

Are you still saying Manny was bigger than JMM the other night? All I can do at this point is just laugh. Man your definately one of, if not the most uninformed poster I have come accross to date. It seems like you just like to pointlessly ramble on and on, and argue about stupid things that you are obviously wrong about. For no reason. Manny weighed 147 JMM weighed 143 Are you trying to argue, and do you mean, that Pacquiao WEIGHED more?? If so, yes, Manny weighed more. JMM was far bigger than Manny though. Like I said before make a poll, so I can have a good laugh at your expense. Maybe you have a outdated television that you watched the fight on. I know my 60" is 1080p Hi-Def, and crystal clear. Every second of the fight I was saying to myself damn, JMM looks huge compared to Manny. JMM looked like the incredible hulk without the green skin dude. Gold, just make the poll so we can settle this, and everyone can see your wrong again. yah it was painfully obvious that marquez's upper body was HUGE compared to pac's...also in the third fight marquez actually outweighed pac on fight night by 2 pounds (he weighed 150lbs). http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QKs_ftIoUd8/TsDBOUKgwEI/AAAAAAAACYo/mJLWsG_9Ckk/s1600/Tale+of+the+Tape+Pacquaio-Marquez+III+November+12%252C+2011.jpg.jpg

@ gold Pac was bigger on fight night. Did you guys watch it or do you only get radio out in the PI? Are you still saying Manny was bigger than JMM the other night? All I can do at this point is just laugh. Man your definately one of, if not the most uninformed poster I have come accross to date. It seems like you just like to pointlessly ramble on and on, and argue about stupid things that you are obviously wrong about. For no reason. Manny weighed 147 JMM weighed 143 Are you trying to argue, and do you mean, that Pacquiao WEIGHED more?? If so, yes, Manny weighed more. JMM was far bigger than Manny though. Like I said before make a poll, so I can have a good laugh at your expense. Maybe you have a outdated television that you watched the fight on. I know my 60" is 1080p Hi-Def, and crystal clear. Every second of the fight I was saying to myself damn, JMM looks huge compared to Manny. JMM looked like the incredible hulk without the green skin dude. Gold, just make the poll so we can settle this, and everyone can see your wrong again.

Pac was bigger on fight night. Did you guys watch it or do you only get radio out in the PI? Yeah yeah.. I watched it. Now head back to the x box.

First, Mayweather lost power when he first moved up. Like all fighters do when they move up. Now we'll take the Paq fan route. Look at Paq's body, speed, and strength after hooking up with Ariza. I remember people photoshopping his body green like the Hulk on here due to how ripped he was looking. Now the proof. Ariza claims to be the mastermind, he talks **** and claims to be the mother****ing man and all that, always running his mouth. Truth is he just gets his EPO from Trevor Graham when Heredia is already knowledgeable about "the science of s&c." Why do you think Ariza praises Heredia? He knows who the ****ing man is when he sees it. Now I hope you Paqtards have some tissue ready... *In case you don't know who Trevor Graham is, he's one of the few Balco snitches. He supplies EPO.* floyd mayweather has had hand problems.. this is well known. the fact that he has brittle hands could explain why he wasn't very successful with carrying the power he had early in his career.. but even then mosley has said that mayweather punches as hard as canelo (video below). so either canelo's power is overrated or floyd's power at 147 is underrated. "him and mayweather hit about the same...both have good snap and good power." - mosley pac's speed, strength and overall physique didn't get any better after hooking up with ariza. like i told you in my last post the difference between pac fighting at super featherweight and him fighting at welterweight is 2-3 pounds...he didn't get any bigger. his fight night weight didn't change by much..he was 145 lbs on fight night in his second fight against marquez and he was around 147-148 on fight night against cotto. so how is that suspicious? and lol at you quoting that joke/made up article...don't know if you're just trolling at this point or you're really this dumb...here's a link to an old thread where it was posted: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316205 ...and the person who posted it says he made it up...it's an old joke article. also trevor graham got his peds from heredia....heredia helped trevor graham's athletes cheat their olympic tests.

Yes. I've watched the fight numerous times and Pac looked bigger. Also - he was bigger on fight night in case you missed that lol :stickp4: You full of crap. But, then again that's why the poll is the poll. Gawd! JMM looked like late stage Gatti....uhh .. totally committed to the juice....for money at the end of a career.

so much fail in your post...first off is there even an ounce of credible proof that would suggest that someone like alex ariza was ever involved with helping athletes cheat their tests? NOPE. now has heredia ever been involved with supplying illegal drugs? YES. has heredia helped several olympic athletes cheat? YES. has heredia ever used peds himself? YES. does heredia love chemistry first and foremost and boasted about making undetectable peds? YES....and did he ever serve time for these crimes? NOPE... Also ariza didn't start working with pac until the david diaz fight at 135..and look at this screencap below: http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9966/pacmarquezii.jpg that's interesting. in pac's second fight against marquez (which took place at super featherweight) he weighed 145lbs on fight night. it's interesting because against cotto he weighed-in at 144 lbs on the day before the fight..and on fight night he was around 147-148 i believe. so, if we're going off fight night weight then the difference between pac fighting at super featherweight and him fighting at welterweight is 2 or 3 pounds. is that suspicious? no, not really. it just means pac had to cut less weight. also floyd mayweather moved up from 130 to 147 while maintaining his speed... First, Mayweather lost power when he first moved up. Like all fighters do when they move up. Now we'll take the Paq fan route. Look at Paq's body, speed, and strength after hooking up with Ariza. I remember people photoshopping his body green like the Hulk on here due to how ripped he was looking. Now the proof. Ariza claims to be the mastermind, he talks **** and claims to be the mother****ing man and all that, always running his mouth. Truth is he just gets his EPO from Trevor Graham when Heredia is already knowledgeable about "the science of s&c." Why do you think Ariza praises Heredia? He knows who the ****ing man is when he sees it. Now I hope you Paqtards have some tissue ready... *In case you don't know who Trevor Graham is, he's one of the few Balco snitches. He supplies EPO.* It can also be revealed that Pacquiao’s camp has enlisted the help of former athletics coach Trevor Graham for “secret strength and speed coaching”. “It’s not the first time we have used him” Ariza said, suggesting that Graham was actually the mastermind behind Manny’s freakish success over the past few years. “He wouldn’t be here without Big Trev, that’s for sure” Roach admitted. So Paq fans, please shut the **** about Marquez using Heredia when Paq himself is using a known cheater. Please, just shut the **** up already, it's only going to hurt more than it already has. Because the truth is, Paq using "S&C science" couldn't stop Marquez. But Marquez using "S&C science" LAID PAQUIAO OUT RICKY HATTON STYLE. THE BEST OF PAQ'S CAREER WAS BULL****, period.

@gold If Marquez looked like a body builder what did Pac look like? Marquez looked much smaller than Pacquiao on fight night. Your joking right....? JMM looked like a monster at the weigh in and looked way bigger on fight night. Were we watching the same fight? Why don't you go ahead and make a poll on who looked bigger... lol. I would to just have a good laugh ... but it would be a waste of my time. 99percent would say JMM looked bigger, the other 1percent would need better glasses. I still can't believe you wrote "Marquez looked much smaller than Pacquiao" lol man, your really providing me with some good laughs lately.

This is my fav thread of all time hahahaha

@solo seems to me you migth be some fat slob who has never work out in his life . of coures somebody like you would think it cant be done :bottle: Keep dreaming man.

@stax smh,does this place have mods??pacjuice got layed the fuk out and now his fans are still here talking **** ...About the "we undefeated for a reason,get use to it haters" You don't seriously have Timothy Bradley up there right?? Even Mayweather is stretching it a bit after JLC part 1. A fighter don't need to be undefeated to be great, don't be hating on a fighter for a 'L'

The poll numbers are telling ... Slowly but surely the numbers keep evening out in favor of people thinking JMM is juicing. If your in the gym enough, even novices can notice the juice look. That before and after pic of JMM in the last year was incredible from a couple posts above. The left side JMM looks in shape about 10-11percent bodyfat, then BOOM, pic on the right JMM looks huge swollen and ripped and vascular at about 5 percent bodyfat. You don't get huge AND ripped naturally. Its one or the other, then you work to the middle ground. JMM just exploded and got huge, more ripped, & more explosive. That only happens with PEDs. I help clients get these results every day. PEDs are always the reason behind these type of gains. Trust me.

JMM went from looking like a normal boxing physique his whole career, to looking like a lifetime bodybuilder, fully cut and ready for a competition a day away. Very quickly I might add. This is done by properly stacking the right PEDs. Angel is one of the best of making magical ****tails too. It also helps that he is from mexico, their regulations down there really loose. Any compound you want in any quantity basically. Cheap too seems to me you migth be some fat slob who has never work out in his life . of coures somebody like you would think it cant be done :bottle:

@solo not really he just looks more cut and been hiting the weigths for about 1 year JMM went from looking like a normal boxing physique his whole career, to looking like a lifetime bodybuilder, fully cut and ready for a competition a day away. Very quickly I might add. This is done by properly stacking the right PEDs. Angel is one of the best of making magical ****tails too. It also helps that he is from mexico, their regulations down there really loose. Any compound you want in any quantity basically. Cheap too

@ dead , @ dances I'm really going to have to disagree with you there. I reduced a lying deluded fanboy into babbling about a fictitious job he got with his fictitious degree he spent nine years earning at the Iligan City Institute for the Mentally Pactarded. dont act like you won mofo, people can read.. you aint bored , youre owned. you aint got sh1t on theboxingbanger , youre like throwing a grape at a tank seeing you debate with him ,lol.. @dead Dude you just need to keep to yourself, and go outside and get some fresh air. Go for a 5mile run like I do everyday. When your little mind gets stumped on something hard to comprehend about PEDs give me shout out and i'll help you figure it out. I'm here man. Don't hate on education, it's really the only thing you have in the long run. @dances It really is like taking candy from a baby. The problem with these guys that everyone refers to as trolls, is that they are really just haters most of the time. I wish they would just enjoy the sport. I'm a JMM fan, have been for a looong time, and i'll continue too, but JMM compromised his ethics and juiced because the weight of the mexican nation got to him. JMM got obsessed with beating Manny. Manny and JMM have historically had each other's numbers. Part 4 is going in my book with a {*} The same {*} that should be next to Barry Bonds home run record. But I support Barry Bonds, and his use of PEDs. PEDs are good for you, if respected and used properly. Barry Bonds had the best doping team on the planet. Barry Bonds isn't in combat sports either - where lives are at stake. All pro athletes are doping, please don't think otherwise. They all are. And listen, pro sports do NOTHING 'except' destroy your body. This is factually been proven at every University's sport conditioning facility. Pro sports dramatically wear down your cartilage and soft tissues. Not to mention snapping your ligaments and requiring surgeries. I support PEDs that help the body to recover properly. Pro athletes need these things to keep going and provide us with entertainment. Combat sports need to be heavily regulated and CIR tested regularly. Just enjoy the sport people, no need to be hating on other users for their education or views.