Can we all agree, Lucas Matthysse should be undefeated?

he lost to Zab Judah period Alexander was close fight tough decision but no robbery

matthysse was robbed no doubt

I think with the Zab fight in particular there were so many swing rounds as well, which is probably why i have seen it so differently both times i scored it. Havent seen the Devon one in ages but if memory serves it was similar. I remember having the Matt's Devon fight close,but I thought Matt's won that fight..But nobody should have to suffer watching Alexander fight,I mean if he fights Brook it's new and the theater of the unexpected..But to watch Alexander back is brutal...

The last part of your post is the most important part of it..As we know fights are scored on a rd by rd basis,a lot of the punches(where Matt's did a lot of damage)were in the later rds...Which is why I had it so close,but early I thought Zab controlled the fight..I have not watch the fight in a while(the reason I remember this fight so well tho is because that night I was having this exact argument with some posters lol)but I remember a late rd I gave to Judah which turned the fight in his favor on my cards...All in all,I just don't feel the word robbery is the right choice of words in a fight this close...But I have no bones with someone who saw it for Matt's..Hell that's what a close fight is ya know..Also what makes boxing one of the best sports to talk about... I think with the Zab fight in particular there were so many swing rounds as well, which is probably why i have seen it so differently both times i scored it. Havent seen the Devon one in ages but if memory serves it was similar.

I haven't seen either fight in a while, but I remember having Matthysse winning both times. Just looking at the compubox numbers Matthysse both outlanded and out-threw both Judah and Alexander: Matthysse v. Judah (Lucas more than doubled Judah's power punches) http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=judah-matthysse-compubox Matthysse v. Alexander http://www.boxingscene.com/compubox-stats-matthysse-edges-alexander-numbers--40820 You also have to take into account the knockdown in both fights and the fact that Matthysse hits a lot harder than either guy. Regardless, I would have to rewatch both fights again to really assess how the rounds played out. The last part of your post is the most important part of it..As we know fights are scored on a rd by rd basis,a lot of the punches(where Matt's did a lot of damage)were in the later rds...Which is why I had it so close,but early I thought Zab controlled the fight..I have not watch the fight in a while(the reason I remember this fight so well tho is because that night I was having this exact argument with some posters lol)but I remember a late rd I gave to Judah which turned the fight in his favor on my cards...All in all,I just don't feel the word robbery is the right choice of words in a fight this close...But I have no bones with someone who saw it for Matt's..Hell that's what a close fight is ya know..Also what makes boxing one of the best sports to talk about...

Judah was a close fight. I find it funny people think Matthysse will steam roll anyone at 140, when the two best fighters he faced, Judah and Alexander......he didn't steam roll and kill either of them. But all you hear on here is how Matthysse will slaughter anyone and everyone, and beat the s**t out of god himself. Seriously, Matthysse went from being underrated to a bit overrated. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this in big blinking letters ! Mathysse might be the most overrated fighter in the sport.

I haven't seen either fight in a while, but I remember having Matthysse winning both times. Just looking at the compubox numbers Matthysse both outlanded and out-threw both Judah and Alexander: Matthysse v. Judah (Lucas more than doubled Judah's power punches) http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=judah-matthysse-compubox Matthysse v. Alexander http://www.boxingscene.com/compubox-stats-matthysse-edges-alexander-numbers--40820 You also have to take into account the knockdown in both fights and the fact that Matthysse hits a lot harder than either guy. Regardless, I would have to rewatch both fights again to really assess how the rounds played out. See thats what i thought i saw when i watched it earlier today, Judah landed mostly Jabs (and not hard ones at that) while Matthysse was smashing right hands to the body. Judah obviously landed some very clean left hands but nowhere near enough, and none of them even marked Lucas. I wish we could watch it without commentary and with other sounds because i think others would have it in Matthysse's favour more clearly...

I count body punches(more then most)and I still had Judah winning by a rd...Matt's just was not bizzy enough imo...He let rds slip away,same goes for the Alexander fight..Which I thought was closer then people make it seem.. I haven't seen either fight in a while, but I remember having Matthysse winning both times. Just looking at the compubox numbers Matthysse both outlanded and out-threw both Judah and Alexander: Matthysse v. Judah (Lucas more than doubled Judah's power punches) http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=judah-matthysse-compubox Matthysse v. Alexander http://www.boxingscene.com/compubox-stats-matthysse-edges-alexander-numbers--40820 You also have to take into account the knockdown in both fights and the fact that Matthysse hits a lot harder than either guy. Regardless, I would have to rewatch both fights again to really assess how the rounds played out.

lol i love it when people get exposed like that. someone clearly didn't watch the fight lol. 8 rounds to 4 in a 10 rounder, too too funny... devon beat lucas. zab fight can be argued imo, but devon clearly outboxed him with his atrocious and horrible style. in any case, lucas is a beast and he needs to get bigger fights. i dont see him as underrated, i see him as exactly where he is :boxing: lol did YOU watch the fight? i don't think devon even landed one meaningful punch in that entire fight. all he did was circle away from lucas after he got his punk ass knocked down. he was getting battered near the end of the fight. crazy that you could comfortably say that. the dude won like 2 rounds point blank. you couldn't really say the rounds were close and you couldn't pick a winner, it wasn't that type of fight. devon was clearly beat.

Judah was a close fight. I find it funny people think Matthysse will steam roll anyone at 140, when the two best fighters he faced, Judah and Alexander......he didn't steam roll and kill either of them. But all you hear on here is how Matthysse will slaughter anyone and everyone, and beat the s**t out of god himself. Seriously, Matthysse went from being underrated to a bit overrated. This........

Can we all agree that Lucas Matthysse should be undefeated? He absolutely beat the brakes off both Judah and Alexander. Yes!! He got robbed twice!!!

Can we all agree that Lucas Matthysse should be undefeated? He absolutely beat the brakes off both Judah and Alexander. I disagree that he beat zab.

I count body punches(more then most)and I still had Judah winning by a rd...Matt's just was not bizzy enough imo...He let rds slip away,same goes for the Alexander fight..Which I thought was closer then people make it seem.. Yeah i saw it close the first time, except with a close Matt win. Maybe im in a pro Lucas mood today or summat.

Big fan of Matthysse, he was robbed against Alexander FOR SURE! The Zab fight though I thought Zab out-boxed him early then Matthysse made it a close fight towards the end but Zab barely held on I thought or at best they could have called it Draw so I don't consider that "ROBBERY" Robbery is Richard Abril vs Brandon Rios or Erislandy Lara vs Paul Williams...people scream Robbery even for close fights :no:

I might agree with you. Might. I need to see some evidence first.

I just watched Judah Matthysse again and im not sure i have it as close as people keep saying. He won more of the first 5-6 rounds than i thought he did, and dominated the second half of the fight winning most of the rounds and getting the KD. Maybe i score body punches higher than most? i dunno but thats what i saw though... Also the commentary was hilariously bad, they barely even noticed Lucas battering him to the body until they saw the compubox stat. Every time Zab threw a punch they went crazy, but everytime Matthysse did they just carried on talking about something else. I count body punches(more then most)and I still had Judah winning by a rd...Matt's just was not bizzy enough imo...He let rds slip away,same goes for the Alexander fight..Which I thought was closer then people make it seem..

I need to watch the Alexander fight again.. as much as I god damn loathe watching him. Mr. pull his punches back before they even land.

Yes though you can make a case for the Judah fight being a draw or Judah win and I still wouldn't complain. Mathysse showed he's nothing to mess with hence why no one wants to fight him anymore. Shame he puts on some very good fights. As Angel Garcia would say it Lucas Mathysse "is the truth!"

I just watched Judah Matthysse again and im not sure i have it as close as people keep saying. He won more of the first 5-6 rounds than i thought he did, and dominated the second half of the fight winning most of the rounds and getting the KD. Maybe i score body punches higher than most? i dunno but thats what i saw though... Also the commentary was hilariously bad, they barely even noticed Lucas battering him to the body until they saw the compubox stat. Every time Zab threw a punch they went crazy, but everytime Matthysse did they just carried on talking about something else.

devon beat lucas. zab fight can be argued imo, but devon clearly outboxed him with his atrocious and horrible style. in any case, lucas is a beast and he needs to get bigger fights. i dont see him as underrated, i see him as exactly where he is :boxing: