Just re-watched Lewis vs McCall I. - HBO has ALWAYS been crazily biased.

This thread smells like a Klittard using a hidden agenda to bash Lewis. Leave Lennox's name out of your mouth next time you open a thread. Facts: 1- Weather or not Lewis could have continued is up for debate. We don't know. 2- What we DO know is that Mccall had a long history of severe mental break downs and that he is the ONLY fighter who might not have gone in for the kill. The odds of Mccall doing nothing and letting Lennox clinch to recovery is just as high as the odds of Mccall knocking Lewis down again. 3-Lennox Lewis dominated Mccall in the rematch and made him cry. 4-Lennox Lewis avenged both his defeats and is the only HW in the history of boxing to defeat every man he ever fought. (Marciano was a CW) 5-Lewis is a 6'5 boxer-puncher-mover who have cleaned out his era, tko6 a Prime Vitali and would have destroyed him in a rematch if he wanted to. 6- Lennox Lewis is viewed by every boxing expert with half a brain as a top 10 HW of all times, most have him in the top 7-5. Some have him in the top 5. I have him as the Goat. 7- Lewis destroyed careers and ruined lives. Grant-Golota-Ruddock-Tua- all could have gone on to do much bigger and better things if Lewis haven't taken their souls and will. 8-Lennox Lewis fought more big punchers than any heavyweight not name Ali. 9-Lewis would have beaten the **** out of Wladimir with or without Manny Steward on Wlad's corner. I love Manny, but even his magic won't be able to save Lennox from dominating Wlad on the inside. 10-Lennox Lewis will dominate any era. 3) Did you watch the fight?. Lewis won the first, McCall did well in the second and stopped fighting in the 3rd. I think Lewis showed intelligence by not pushing the issue while McCall wasn't even looking at the punches coming his way. 4) :D good one but no. 6) It shows. 7) Come on! Ruddock had already loses against Tyson (twice). Golota came off a 0-2 before the Lewis fight. 9) Prime vs Prime? On this one I agree, even though I doubt there would have been much inside game, apart from Lewis landing some sharp uppercut. 10) -Will- dominate? You are entitled to your opinion, but you see, even Lewis is a mortal :D

A fighter who makes it to his feet should at least be given a chance after the 1st knockdown. I do find it curious that Don King was prominent in both of Lennox's losses and the bogus Draw against Holyfield. The guy is a snake and there are rumours he poisoned Wlad against Brewster and Foreman in Zaire. How was King prominent in Rahman I? He didn't have Rahman then. He got him after and promoted the rematch. Lewis's problems for Rahman were about filming Oceans 11 and other distractions.

A fighter who makes it to his feet should at least be given a chance after the 1st knockdown. I do find it curious that Don King was prominent in both of Lennox's losses and the bogus Draw against Holyfield. The guy is a snake and there are rumours he poisoned Wlad against Brewster and Foreman in Zaire.

A fighter who makes it to his feet should at least be given a chance after the 1st knockdown. I do find it curious that Don King was prominent in both of Lennox's losses and the bogus Draw against Holyfield. The guy is a snake and there are rumours he poisoned Wlad against Brewster and Foreman in Zaire.

He was counted till 9 and Lewis almost fell on top of the referee He tottered but was standing (wobbly) without support as the ref held his hands up right at the last. He seemed to stop counting around seven, didn't keep any distance, and just had his hands up. Ref got excited. Never stepped back and NEVER asked him to come forward to get a real look. Just months before, on another King show, he gave Terry Norris all a chance in a similar circumstance (not as bad balance wise but he didn't have 6'5 to balance) against Simon Brown. Norris was with King.

This thread smells like a Klittard using a hidden agenda to bash Lewis. Leave Lennox's name out of your mouth next time you open a thread. Facts: 1- Weather or not Lewis could have continued is up for debate. We don't know. 2- What we DO know is that Mccall had a long history of severe mental break downs and that he is the ONLY fighter who might not have gone in for the kill. The odds of Mccall doing nothing and letting Lennox clinch to recovery is just as high as the odds of Mccall knocking Lewis down again. 3-Lennox Lewis dominated Mccall in the rematch and made him cry. 4-Lennox Lewis avenged both his defeats and is the only HW in the history of boxing to defeat every man he ever fought. (Marciano was a CW) 5-Lewis is a 6'5 boxer-puncher-mover who have cleaned out his era, tko6 a Prime Vitali and would have destroyed him in a rematch if he wanted to. 6- Lennox Lewis is viewed by every boxing expert with half a brain as a top 10 HW of all times, most have him in the top 7-5. Some have him in the top 5. I have him as the Goat. 7- Lewis destroyed careers and ruined lives. Grant-Golota-Ruddock-Tua- all could have gone on to do much bigger and better things if Lewis haven't taken their souls and will. 8-Lennox Lewis fought more big punchers than any heavyweight not name Ali. 9-Lewis would have beaten the **** out of Wladimir with or without Manny Steward on Wlad's corner. I love Manny, but even his magic won't be able to save Lennox from dominating Wlad on the inside. 10-Lennox Lewis will dominate any era. 4. I am sorry but just because the WBC made a new weight class after Marciano die. Does not mean he was not a heavyweight. So Lewis is not the only Heavyweight that has beat all his opponents. Can't changed the rules just to benefits your agenda. Marciano beat some fighters that were over 200 lbs. 5. That's why your post can not be taken seriously. 9. That would be an opinion. 10. Another opinion. Lewis would not beat Ali, Foreman, Fraizer.

How could he be counted out when he was up around five? Ref didn't even finish the eight. The ref gave a quick hook and we've seen a TON of fights go on with guys more hurt than that (for instance, Wlad was allowed to get up a few times with Sanders; Grant was WAY more hurt and allowed to go on and eventually win against Golota). There was also a lot of behind the scenes politics floating around that fight in the context of Mike getting out of prison soon and King needing a belt to work with. It was what it was. Lewis might have got drilled again, but he should have been given better consideration than that. HBO might have shown house fighter bias. That was still a pretty quick hook. He was counted till 9 and Lewis almost fell on top of the referee

I watched the fight a time ago and i thought that call was BS. I was glad they bash the referee because of it. Terrible call. Lewis would have been able to continue if the ref had given him a chance. Now that i read about King fixing the fight it all makes sense

I've noticed HBO bias for a long time, it seems they are told to make certain fighters to look good. I think this has to do with how young and marketable a fighter is. For example, Manny Pacquiao was (given that FMW is/was semi retired) the biggest draw in boxing. And it is plain as day that he gets too much credit when he throws. An example of this is Lampley's "bang bang" comments. I'm not saying Manny was not winning, but some of those shots were being caught on gloves yet he made it seem as though all the shots were going through and scoring. Furthermore, in the Marquez III Manny was given tons of credit for grazes and near misses (compubox). In contrast, when Marquez would land combinations it was blatantly ignored by Lampley and co. I watched this fight on a primetime stream and Amir Kahn (Pac stablemate) gave the fight to Marquez!!! Yet on HBO it seemed they gave rounds to Pacquiao due to "ring generalship" even though most people thought that Marquez imposed his rhythm/distance and style on the fight, not to mention he scored the clean effective punches. The analysts for the English stream were livid about the decision, yet on HBO (where they have a vested interest in the big money fighter winning) it was said "some fans" thought the fight may have been controversial. There are countless examples of this type of favoritism. And now it was pretty obvious (at least to me) that HBO was trying to discredit the Marquez win last night by suggesting that he may have been on PEDs. It started in the post-fight interviews with Merchant asking Marquez if his "muscles" made a difference, then asking Pacquiao if Marquez "felt" different. On Lampley's show he mentions Heredia and Marquez working together, mentioning that he is involved with PEDs, then we are told that Marquez looked physically stronger and are left to draw our own conclusions. Then he goes on to declare in his award show that his fighter of the year was Donaire because he submits himself to 365/7/24 testing. He doesn't mentions that he works with Conte, a person known to have been involved with PED's. I am NOT saying that Donaire is on drugs, I am simply saying they should mention it given that Marquez is being suspected simply because he works with Heredia. People will say that Donaire is not suspected simply because he submits to the most stringent testing available but as many people have pointed out on this forum professional s&c coaches know how to produce undetectable peds. Lampley then goes on to give the Person of the year award to a doctor who developed a strict drug testing procedure. He ties in his suspicion of Marquez, donaire strict test, and an anti-doping doctor all in one segment leaving the public to make inferences. This type of bias by HBO serves to question the win of Marquez therefore producing the need for a 5th fight with Manny which would further line the pockets of HBO. The doubt also serves to raise the stock of Manny because the win may have not been legitimate, therefore he is still the top fighter. Furthermore, the accolades thrown at Donaire serves to increase the popularity of a fighter who is not as popular as Manny. In summation, HBO bias is present because they have a vested interest in manufacturing and/or maintaining big names (PPV wise), so they can profit.

how did the stoppage suck if Lewis was falling right into the referee after he waved it off? Without the help of the ref, Lewis would have fallen down again AFTER the fight was stopped. He was collecting his balance. The referee didn't even take a hard look and he didn't use all the time available. If you liked the stop, cool. I never did. Criticizing it is hardly evidence of bias. It was a questionable stop and fighters have been hurt worse, in fights without a belt on the line, and allowed to go on (and many times win). Like I said, he was rocked so it can be JUSTIFIED. It was still quick and politically convenient. I've seen it many times. Never liked it.

I always found HBO to be overly critical of Lewis.

If you're looking to stop it. The ref has a mando eight to work with to take a look. Ref didn't. Stoppage sucked. It was justifiable. Doesn't make it right. how did the stoppage suck if Lewis was falling right into the referee after he waved it off? Without the help of the ref, Lewis would have fallen down again AFTER the fight was stopped.

Lewis was out. Holding your hands up isnt enough to let the fight continue when you can't stand on your feet. And yes, I have also seen fights in which referees have let fighters continue in similar situations. But the bottom line is if you know ANYTHING about boxing, then you know the stoppage was just and right. Plain and simple. Lewis didn't have his legs underneath him and that is more than enough to stop the fight. If you're looking to stop it. The ref has a mando eight to work with to take a look. Ref didn't. Stoppage sucked. It was justifiable. Doesn't make it right.

they weren't being biased for Lewis or against McCall they were bitching because they thought King fixed the fight Tyson was still up the river at the time King had been itching to get back into the HW title picture people knew about the WBC pushing King's agenda in the past and they rightly pointed out that Lewis stumbled into the ref I have no problem with HBO taking a closer look at certain things that happen inside a ring. But you can't tell me this was an unjust stoppage. HBO should just focus on what is REALLY happening inside that ring instead of speculating all the time or making things look a certain way. The stoppage was the right thing to do and the fact that HBO spent 10 minutes to talk about how stupid the stoppage was, is a joke to me. If you can't tell the difference between a right and a wrong stoppage, then don't pretend to be a commentator.

How could he be counted out when he was up around five? Ref didn't even finish the eight. The ref gave a quick hook and we've seen a TON of fights go on with guys more hurt than that (for instance, Wlad was allowed to get up a few times with Sanders; Grant was WAY more hurt and allowed to go on and eventually win against Golota). There was also a lot of behind the scenes politics floating around that fight in the context of Mike getting out of prison soon and King needing a belt to work with. It was what it was. Lewis might have got drilled again, but he should have been given better consideration than that. HBO might have shown house fighter bias. That was still a pretty quick hook. Lewis was out. Holding your hands up isnt enough to let the fight continue when you can't stand on your feet. And yes, I have also seen fights in which referees have let fighters continue in similar situations. But the bottom line is if you know ANYTHING about boxing, then you know the stoppage was just and right. Plain and simple. Lewis didn't have his legs underneath him and that is more than enough to stop the fight.

I just re-watched the upset Lennox Lewis vs Oliver McCall I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBEe_NSN7IU#t=19m11s and I just realised again how biased HBO was in the commentary of this fight. Lewis was clearly and fairly counted out after the knockdown, his legs were gone, he was wobbling all over the place. So- the referee did the right thing according to the rules. And what does HBO do? They talk 10 minutes about how the ref shouldn't have stopped the fight and they insinuate that Don King paid off the referee and all that crazy stuff. How can ANYBODY in this world watch the ending of this fight and say the referee was "totally wrong" in stopping this fight? HBO always had their agenda, whatever that agenda is in every particular case. But one thing is for sure: they never cared about the truth and they never will. How could he be counted out when he was up around five? Ref didn't even finish the eight. The ref gave a quick hook and we've seen a TON of fights go on with guys more hurt than that (for instance, Wlad was allowed to get up a few times with Sanders; Grant was WAY more hurt and allowed to go on and eventually win against Golota). There was also a lot of behind the scenes politics floating around that fight in the context of Mike getting out of prison soon and King needing a belt to work with. It was what it was. Lewis might have got drilled again, but he should have been given better consideration than that. HBO might have shown house fighter bias. That was still a pretty quick hook.

they weren't being biased for Lewis or against McCall they were bitching because they thought King fixed the fight Tyson was still up the river at the time King had been itching to get back into the HW title picture people knew about the WBC pushing King's agenda in the past and they rightly pointed out that Lewis stumbled into the ref