For those who believe marquez was juicing...

JMMobviously focused on strength. He stunned Pac in their previous fights. I'm guessing he figured being stronger fire this fight. His muscle made him allot slower which is why he couldn't keep up with Pac. Normally when people juice they get faster too. IMO no juice just muscle fast gain muscles at 39 yrs old???? gain musclees during heredia's(PED pedller f*ck) time

pac man has the worst fan base in the history of boxing hands down

JMMobviously focused on strength. He stunned Pac in their previous fights. I'm guessing he figured being stronger fire this fight. His muscle made him allot slower which is why he couldn't keep up with Pac. Normally when people juice they get faster too. IMO no juice just muscle

is your pic somehow trying to say marquez cheated by stepping on his foot? lol thats classic

did you think the same when pac knocked out hatton? or was that all natural?

people think pac man is a juicer to y not go after him *******s

For those who believe Marquez was juicing. Do you say that because of that "one punch power" Look at round 5 at the about the 1:31 mark. Pacquiao comes in the same way, and gets punched flush in the face. He didn't fall, he didn't wobble. Why didn't he fall if Marquez has this new punching power? Could it be that he saw it coming, and prepared himself to absorb the punch. It is the same punch that knocked him down, of course in the sixth he didn't see it. Also, this proves that this wasn't a lucky punch. A punch that you lands over and over isn't luck, its just a matter of time. Do I think Marquez is on somethin? Your damn I think right he is, still PED'S DON'T IMPROVE TIMING. JMM timed that counter perfectly (this is coming from a Pacfan here), it takes years or training to get that type of skill. The KO itself was clean good counter by JMM. PED's don't give you that kind of timing.

im not saying JMM juiced or anything because we shouldnt assume things like that. but.. the suspicious stuff were 1. he hired heredia 2. the first KD (pac was not hurt at all yet at this point) none of the big WWs could do that to Pac, not even close. Marquez never did that in the past, when Pac would literally eat big counter punches. 3. the KO punch knocked pac COLD. it could just be technique and training and it was literally a perfect counter punch, but i dont think its ridiculous to think that JMM juiced to fight his ultimate rival who he probably thinks juices himself (Pac). but he's innocent til proven guilty.

Marquez looked physically bigger, but the added power is not what ko'd pacquiao. It was still technique. Marquez tripped over PAc's foot when he got knocked down, but he tripped to the side. Pac tripped over Marquez's foot coming foward and fell into the punch. Of the 5000 or so posts on the night of the fight 5 people successfully made this observation. Speaks volumes on collective intelligence.

For those who believe Marquez was juicing. Do you say that because of that "one punch power" Look at round 5 at the about the 1:31 mark. Pacquiao comes in the same way, and gets punched flush in the face. He didn't fall, he didn't wobble. Why didn't he fall if Marquez has this new punching power? Could it be that he saw it coming, and prepared himself to absorb the punch. It is the same punch that knocked him down, of course in the sixth he didn't see it. Also, this proves that this wasn't a lucky punch. A punch that you lands over and over isn't luck, its just a matter of time. It was the third round knockdown that made me think wtf but then I kind of attributed that to Pac's chin maybe giving in to father time. However when Pac got caught and was out cold I was thinking something may be a miss here. Sure Pac walked straight into the punch and fair enough he got laid out but he was out cold for minutes. Pac has been known to have a damn good chin and he was out for MINUTES. I really hope JMM didn't let his obsession with Pac make him resort to PED's.

marquez used PEDS, stepping on foot, anything in the world to avenge mexican boxing

Reported the thread for even acknowledging the ppl saying he's on roids.

For those who believe Marquez was juicing. Do you say that because of that "one punch power" Look at round 5 at the about the 1:31 mark. Pacquiao comes in the same way, and gets punched flush in the face. He didn't fall, he didn't wobble. Why didn't he fall if Marquez has this new punching power? Could it be that he saw it coming, and prepared himself to absorb the punch. It is the same punch that knocked him down, of course in the sixth he didn't see it. Also, this proves that this wasn't a lucky punch. A punch that you lands over and over isn't luck, its just a matter of time. You say, "For those... " and then go make a statement about something that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with PEDs. So, you're not addressing all "those who believe" or proving a damn thing. As a side, I think the punch was all about Pac rushing in and predicted it 3 rounds before it happened.

For those who believe Marquez was juicing. Do you say that because of that "one punch power" Look at round 5 at the about the 1:31 mark. Pacquiao comes in the same way, and gets punched flush in the face. He didn't fall, he didn't wobble. Why didn't he fall if Marquez has this new punching power? Could it be that he saw it coming, and prepared himself to absorb the punch. It is the same punch that knocked him down, of course in the sixth he didn't see it. Also, this proves that this wasn't a lucky punch. A punch that you lands over and over isn't luck, its just a matter of time. Maybe the first punch softened him up and the 2nd one cracked him? Do you really want to go through every fight that has ended a knockout and claim that the KO punch was the hardest punch that landed?

I still don't know how PAC couldn't see that punch coming, the punch wasn't thrown from the side or from beneath his line of vision but straight flush at his face, although yes it was a very quick punch. When I look back over Marquez training photage seeing him land those right hands on the heavy bag and pads you really get a sense of the power, you can feel those shots go through you just watching them on screen so with 8 or 10oz gloves that shot could damn near kill someone.

The only thing missing from this thread is a video of round 5..... Anywho..... People are just looking for reasons as to why Pacquiao was KO'd.....a leaner Marquez with slightly more mass is an excuse for speculation........ sorry bro, don't know how to embed video

A cheat is a cheat is a cheat. All you're saying is that even a normal Marquez would have KO'd Pacman in this situation. A specious argument to say the least. Well there goes your "unbiased" views. No, what I'm saying is if that you say he is juiced, and he is the hulk, and punches like Bruce Lee, why couldn't he knock out pac with that punch, which occurred literally the next round. Why? Because Pac did not see it.

A cheat is a cheat is a cheat. All you're saying is that even a normal Marquez would have KO'd Pacman in this situation. A specious argument to say the least.If I were Pinoy, I'd call Marquez a cheat too, lmao!

Marquez looked physically bigger, but the added power is not what ko'd pacquiao. It was still technique. Marquez tripped over PAc's foot when he got knocked down, but he tripped to the side. Pac tripped over Marquez's foot coming foward and fell into the punch. A cheat is a cheat is a cheat. All you're saying is that even a normal Marquez would have KO'd Pacman in this situation. A specious argument to say the least.

Marquez timed Pac coming in and landed a powerful right hand that Pacquiao didn't see coming. The fact that he didn't see it coming added even more effect on it the punch, plus Pacquiao's force lunging forward. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android