Importance of Strength and Coditioning Coaches on a Team seems to be central in most camps...why is this?? Who started this trend...
Freddie Roach before his parkinsons set in big time, had Justin Fortune, who had a minimal role and learned and listened to Roach (he was also a boxer ..so theres that, ignoring the dispute as well) Roach used him more as a tool for stuff he was physically unable to do...now Ariza seems to be Solo in most camps, doing what hewants.
I see the benefits of a dedicated S&C Coach, but the focus has shifted from being a well rounded boxer to friggin S&C.
I don't think they are essential. I don't think Mayweather has one. Does Martinez or Pavlik have one? Hagler, Leonard, Hearns, and Duran never used one to my knowledge.
Its all about the supplementing. They know about dieting and when to administer certain "vitamins".
Any coach can train a fighter. but the diet and vitamins is the real reason for all the Victor Contes and the Arrizas
Probably when boxers startd getting lazy and refusing to do roadwork. Also, probably because many of the new trainers may not know how to get a boxer physically ready for a fight like the old vets who've passed away. So they easily bought into all the strength and conditioning mess.
I'm not sold on them myself. I've seen fighters end up MORE winded in the later rounds because of these so called experts. Donaire gets hooked up to breathing machines like a lab rat and still is winded at the end of his fights. I beieve they're just taking advantage of boxers making them believe they need something they really don't. Placebo effect.
The old ways worked and they shouldn't cast them aside due to "modern science". If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Long-distance running/Cross Country or what you refer to as "roadwork" is archaic in the modern world of sports science. Boxing is a sport composed of multiple short bursts that require anareobic capacity NOT aerobic capacity. SLOW long-distance running doesn't mimic the physical requirements in a fight. It's also worth mentioning that it's highly catabolic...
Most of these Strength Coaches have zero experience in boxing, in general.
They don't need experience of the sport, they need knowledge of how the body works and they can get it ready for any sport. They have that knowledge. What is required for boxing is not hard to determine and they have more than enough knowledge to train the body to perform at it's best in that field.
They train them nothing like a football player. Football players train max effort days and dynamic days. Max effort for strength, dynamic for speed and explosiveness.
Boxers are trained differently by every different strength coach. Every coach has his own way of training a specific fighter based on their body. Pacquiao ran through the likes of Cotto and built his star power during his run with Ariza, he was regarded by all as a beast.
Trainers know exactly how the body works, how best to train it for each specific sport and how to maximise it's efficiency.
Most of these Strength Coaches have zero experience in boxing, in general.
The old ways worked and they shouldn't cast them aside due to "modern science". If it ain't broke don't fix it.
I disagree with that. Science progresses and we learn more about the human body everyday so it's absurd to keep the same conditioning methods that have been around for 60-70 years.
this... seriously, its called picking up a book.... the key to everything they do is called circuit training.......
but if they feel more comfortable paying someone to just tell them what to do than go for it.....
Exactly. Conditioning coaches have a lot of knowledge but fighters and trainers could learn a lot by themselves by reading the latest books on conditioning and creating their own programs.
But who has really improved via a strength and conditioning coach? Donaire? Still tires out. Pac? Cramping and some stamina issues in a few fights. Marquez? Maybe. Cotto? Still gets tired and is actually a worse fighter now.
If these guys showed massive improvements for fighters I could see their use but as of now their just gouging the pockets of these fighters. You train an ATHLETE different than a FIGHTER anyway. A fighter needs more than just explosiveness from his conditioning routine. And to train them as like any other athlete, say a football player is foolish.
They train them nothing like a football player. Football players train max effort days and dynamic days. Max effort for strength, dynamic for speed and explosiveness.
Boxers are trained differently by every different strength coach. Every coach has his own way of training a specific fighter based on their body. Pacquiao ran through the likes of Cotto and built his star power during his run with Ariza, he was regarded by all as a beast.
Trainers know exactly how the body works, how best to train it for each specific sport and how to maximise it's efficiency.
They aren't essential, they are just another improvement.
Fighters that can afford a qualified strength and conditioning coach will get the benefits of them, they will be better athletes. They know the human body and exactly how to make it more explosive, stronger and faster.
Why hire a top boxing coach? To become better as a boxer.
Why hire a top S&C coach? To become a better athlete.
But who has really improved via a strength and conditioning coach? Donaire? Still tires out. Pac? Cramping and some stamina issues in a few fights. Marquez? Maybe. Cotto? Still gets tired and is actually a worse fighter now.
If these guys showed massive improvements for fighters I could see their use but as of now their just gouging the pockets of these fighters. You train an ATHLETE different than a FIGHTER anyway. A fighter needs more than just explosiveness from his conditioning routine. And to train them as like any other athlete, say a football player is foolish.
They aren't essential, they are just another improvement.
Fighters that can afford a qualified strength and conditioning coach will get the benefits of them, they will be better athletes. They know the human body and exactly how to make it more explosive, stronger and faster.
Why hire a top boxing coach? To become better as a boxer.
Why hire a top S&C coach? To become a better athlete.
The trainers of old use to do everything, but nowadays things have been split into two due to a number of things like making weight etc, Now we have dieticians in camp, S&C coaches but back in the days boxers use to be more discipline with what they eat and the sort of conditioning work they do, not anymore... This is why new school trainers are bringing in all the help they could get.
Probably when boxers startd getting lazy and refusing to do roadwork. Also, probably because many of the new trainers may not know how to get a boxer physically ready for a fight like the old vets who've passed away. So they easily bought into all the strength and conditioning mess.
I'm not sold on them myself. I've seen fighters end up MORE winded in the later rounds because of these so called experts. Donaire gets hooked up to breathing machines like a lab rat and still is winded at the end of his fights. I beieve they're just taking advantage of boxers making them believe they need something they really don't. Placebo effect.
The old ways worked and they shouldn't cast them aside due to "modern science". If it ain't broke don't fix it.
true talk, and the old ways prepared fighters to go 15 - 20 rounds.
Probably when boxers startd getting lazy and refusing to do roadwork. Also, probably because many of the new trainers may not know how to get a boxer physically ready for a fight like the old vets who've passed away. So they easily bought into all the strength and conditioning mess.
I'm not sold on them myself. I've seen fighters end up MORE winded in the later rounds because of these so called experts. Donaire gets hooked up to breathing machines like a lab rat and still is winded at the end of his fights. I beieve they're just taking advantage of boxers making them believe they need something they really don't. Placebo effect.
The old ways worked and they shouldn't cast them aside due to "modern science". If it ain't broke don't fix it.