Heredia-I’ve created 20 diff. drugs that are still undetectable for the doping tester

It's a shame that people can't come together on a subject like this but instead bicker and mock. So obsessed with the childish hero worship that they can't get together on the subject they act so passionate about. No one who is actually a boxing fan could be ok with Heredia being in the sport. Just look at what the guy himself says, he is as immersed in this stuff as anyone you could possibly find. He openly brags about his ability to create designer steroids for elite athletes, and it really takes a special kind of idiot to think it's fine that this guy is working with people in combat sport.

If it is something he created, then it wouldn't be on a banned substance list. Therefore it would be perfectly legal to use. http://i.imgur.com/UnFnF.gif

It's a shame that people can't come together on a subject like this but instead bicker and mock. So obsessed with the childish hero worship that they can't get together on the subject they act so passionate about.

Firstly Pac had incredible workrate way before ariza. Secondly lol at anti pac fans using Arum as a source yet they call him a liar. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Aren't there moderators on this forum? This same exact thread has been created over a dozen times already.

JMM is a cheater. :p "Marquez deserved to win" - Manny Pacquiao

http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroid-test ... rview.html SPIEGEL: Do you have any other secrets? Heredia: Oh yes, of course. There are tablets for the kidneys that block the metabolites of steroids, so when athletes give a urine sample, they don’t excrete the metabolites and thus test negative. Or there is an enzyme that slowly consumes proteins - epo has protein structures, and the enzyme thus ensures that the B sample of the doping test has a completely different value than the A sample. Then there are chemicals that you take a couple of hours before the race that prevent acidification in the muscles. Together with epo they are an absolute miracle. I’ve created 20 different drugs that are still undetectable for the doping testers. Man, this dude sounds like a really smart guy.

Statement: Ariza worked for Heredia, I'm sure he learned these special blends from Heredia...Ariza says Heredia is clean...weird how Pac was throwing 1000 punches without skipping a beat it's interesting though because when ariza was interviewed about heredia back in 2011 he had this to say... I haven't talked to anybody about the guy . I didn't even know who he was until Victor Conte brought him up and it went all over the place. First of all, I don't know, maybe they can get a translator so they can understand this, but I've never said anything about Heredia. As a matter of fact, I didn't even know the guy's name until it was brought to my attention that there was people from Usain Bolt's training camp training him, which means more than one, not some fat Mexican in slippers, okay? I was assuming he had a training team, not that dude. Secondly, it was Victor Conte who outed him. I've never said anything about Heredia, Hernandez, or Guadalupe, or whatever his name is; I don't even know him from a can of paint and after I heard who he was, or whatever, I forgot about him 10 seconds after the phone call when I hung up the phone. http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11120.html the fact remains is that for the 3rd and 4th fight marquez associated himself with a ped chemist/guru (not a strength and conditioning coach) ..heredia works in secrecy not giving out the names of his clients, changing his name/identity, etc...

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Statement: Ariza worked for Heredia, I'm sure he learned these special blends from Heredia...Ariza says Heredia is clean...weird how Pac was throwing 1000 punches without skipping a beat Weird how he was fighting motionless statues when he threw that many

If it is something he created, then it wouldn't be on a banned substance list. Therefore it would be perfectly legal to use. These drugs most likely contain substances that are banned. The question is not whether or not he could have given something undetectable to JMM, the question is why would JMM trust him and take it? Even if you only have 0.0001% chance of getting caught, would you risk ruining your entire legacy?

Two things: To anyone justifying Marquez with Pac, Two wrongs don't make a right. Testing is irrelevent. Marquez apparently has a rock star of the doping world that prides himself on fooling tests. Doesn't matter if Manny agreed to testing or not, Marquez would come back "clean".

If it is something he created, then it wouldn't be on a banned substance list. Therefore it would be perfectly legal to use.

is there proof of ariza working with heredia, and most importantly, is there proof that he is a drug peddler Arum said "Yes." Arum explained that he trusts Heredia because Ariza has "worked under him" and has assured him Memo's methods are clean.

Statement: Ariza worked for Heredia, I'm sure he learned these special blends from Heredia...Ariza says Heredia is clean...weird how Pac was throwing 1000 punches without skipping a beat *******: But, you have no proof, Pac has passed the test required by the commission, who is Floyd and others to require different test not required...he's just scared, no failed tests he's clean. Statement: Well Pac is associated with a trainer who knew his fighter "Toney" had taken steroids prior to a match, so its not like he's surrounded by people not suspected of this crap. *******: Guilt by association is stupid, u have no proof....Pac would never cheat, u guys are just mad he is knocking out and beating people worse than ur hero Floyd Gayweather, chickenfloyd Statement: Pac got put to sleep, holy ****!! *******: It was a lucky punch, plus Marquez is cheating...my proof guilt by association with Heredia and they need better testing the test administered by the commission are a joke, thats why he beat the tests....... Fvcking morons live by a double standard is there proof of ariza working with heredia, and most importantly, is there proof that he is a drug peddler

Statement: Ariza worked for Heredia, I'm sure he learned these special blends from Heredia...Ariza says Heredia is clean...weird how Pac was throwing 1000 punches without skipping a beat *******: But, you have no proof, Pac has passed the test required by the commission, who is Floyd and others to require different test not required...he's just scared, no failed tests he's clean. Statement: Well Pac is associated with a trainer who knew his fighter "Toney" had taken steroids prior to a match, so its not like he's surrounded by people not suspected of this crap. *******: Guilt by association is stupid, u have no proof....Pac would never cheat, u guys are just mad he is knocking out and beating people worse than ur hero Floyd Gayweather, chickenfloyd Statement: Pac got put to sleep, holy ****!! *******: It was a lucky punch, plus Marquez is cheating...my proof guilt by association with Heredia and they need better testing the test administered by the commission are a joke, thats why he beat the tests....... Fvcking morons live by a double standard

i don't doubt what you say being that's how a good number of them roll whats funnier is, if pac agreed to more stringent drug testing for his 4th fight with marquez, JMM woulda taken the test, and team pac STILL said "no thanks" LMFAO that is priceless and makes the pactard cringing that much better! :headbang:

this is the first pac fight the TS has ever seen. another tard told him to onto boxingscene and post this. he doesnt even know who JMM is most likely... i don't doubt what you say being that's how a good number of them roll

love all these *******s *****ing, man after justifying pac's reluctance to do better testing for years :rofl: this is the first pac fight the TS has ever seen. another tard told him to onto boxingscene and post this. he doesnt even know who JMM is most likely...

Manny Pacquiao is a cheater :doh: works both ways. please leave and never return, pactard love all these *******s *****ing, man after justifying pac's reluctance to do better testing for years :rofl: