I'm curious because most boxers/boxing fans don't know what an overhand right is. I've been to many gyms and NOT 1 trains in doing overhand rights because the old school mentality that they are "haymakers" and wild and leave you open. YET they are not, as proven by MMA fighters such as Chuck Liddell, there are many examples proving MMA fighters used it to more effect before boxers. Now boxers are slowing picking up on it.
Martinez vs Williams, Pacquiao vs Hattton, Martinez vs Chavez, Marquez vs Pacquiao are all instances where overhands ended or nearly ended the match. I'm just wondering if anyone is aware of that punch because Jim Lampley who has been announcing matches for years tends to call it a "hook" or a "right hand" when it is OBVIOUS to a fighter who throws them that it is an OVERHAND the most powerful punch you can throw, which is why it's often a career ender when it connects.
Thoughts on the overhand?
IGNORANT boxing "fan" tries to talk fighting. Go take some lessons first and see if "what you know" equals anything. HAHAHAHA Your a joke. You'd get schooled and choked out and broken limbs by white belt jiu jitsu students. Your WEAK legs would bruise by beginner muay thai students, and YOUR so called boxing skills wouldn't get you past ONE round vs ANY REAL boxing student. There's a difference between a WANNABE keyboard jockey like you and a REAL fighter/ martial artist who is open to the martial ART, which is why the great boxers ALL watch and RESPECT MMA fighters. LOL your a loser who knows NOTHING about martial arts and fighting
That is a great example. It shows the power of the shot and its effect, but it also shows the defensive risk involved in throwing it. It was a well calculated risk as Manny's position negated the effect of anything he could throw back with his own right.
This shot is an absolutely calculated risk even in the hands of more experienced fighters. You don't throw the shot without really getting a feel for your opponents reactions to different shots. Marquez knew Pacquiao was going be a sucker for that right hand, just watch the last three fights. he sets the feint to body just slow enough to know whether Manny will defend himself or counter.
Boxers are not slowly picking up anything from MMA fighters bro lol. MMA fighters have the worst boxing skills known to man, except those that are actual ex-boxers. Yes an overhand right could I suppose be seen as a haymaker but it depends on the motivation and reason for throwing it. Is the opposing fighter taller? Are you trying to get over their jab hand? Are you throwing it as a counter to an incoming southpaw left? There are various reason to throw it sure. MMA fighters throw it a lot because they try to KO people with one punch, which in MMA is common since none of them have any punch resistance. It looks more like a haymaker if it is thrown when looking down, with eyes closed or when standing straight up. I am not a big fan of it, I prefer straighter punches but that is just a preference. The overhand right is hard to defend against though just because of the trajectory it comes in. JMM is just a masterful technician honestly. Him, Floyd and Ward are the best technical boxers actively fighting.
I always thought an overhand right was a straight right with the palm down. I would call the punches thrown by Martinez, Pacquiao, and Marquez that scored those great KOs right hooks or in Pacquiao's case a left hook. Whatever you call it when those guys throw it it is one hell of a punch.
The punch being thrown above of Manny backing off getting hit is more of a "round house" a true over hand won't be as wide! It comes up and over but is not a wide motion. Ray
It's weird, it starts off as a round house but ends up as an overhand. LOL
here's a good example
http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/4417384/data/pacquiao-gets-knocked-out-data.gif
That is a great example. It shows the power of the shot and its effect, but it also shows the defensive risk involved in throwing it. It was a well calculated risk as Manny's position negated the effect of anything he could throw back with his own right.
One of the worst rip offs in boxing! Starling was robbed on more than one occasion. Its tuff when your not aviliated with the powers to be, just ask the Haglers of the world! That punch was clearly after the bell and the bell was heard clearly I was there! Ray.
I watched it as it happened live on tv and thought it was on the bell, it was in fact fractionally afterwards. Its a weird one, I dont think Molinares meant to hit him after the bell, but it was after.
The punch being thrown above of Manny backing off getting hit is more of a "round house" a true over hand won't be as wide! It comes up and over but is not a wide motion. Ray
here's a good example
http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/4417384/data/pacquiao-gets-knocked-out-data.gif
Yes as you can see JMM was very vulnerable to a right when throwing it. Not a punch to use often.
One of the worst rip offs in boxing! Starling was robbed on more than one occasion. Its tuff when your not aviliated with the powers to be, just ask the Haglers of the world! That punch was clearly after the bell and the bell was heard clearly I was there! Ray.
I've read a few posts here that claim the overhand right or left leaves you vulnerable. If Marquez and martinez threw an 'overhand'. From what I saw they are so far to the side of their opponent, even if they miss they aren't vulnerable at all. yeh it leaves them off balance but not under any threat surely? Especially if you step right to the side while you throw and your opponent is coming in..A great attack I think
That's down to distance. The JMM punch was a straight though.
I've read a few posts here that claim the overhand right or left leaves you vulnerable. If Marquez and martinez threw an 'overhand'. From what I saw they are so far to the side of their opponent, even if they miss they aren't vulnerable at all. yeh it leaves them off balance but not under any threat surely? Especially if you step right to the side while you throw and your opponent is coming in..A great attack I think
Boxing is the weakest art form in the MMA fighters repitoire!! Most can't throw good boxing technique and most can't take a good punch either! Their grapplers and submission artist not stand up punchers!
Pacman got caught with that right hand because he over committed his movement in and Juan made a very clever move stepping off and threw the correct counter off the correct counter move!! Manny is a pressure fighter who simply got to deep, nothing "stupid" about, he's done it a thousand times before this time a very good technical fighter caught him.
I've seen and heard fans act out and say some pretty horrible things but the amount of disrespect thrown at Pacman is ridiculous even by the racists fans that have exsisted for ever. This guy has fought his way up in weight classes and caliber of fighters and has always given 100% to his opponents and the boxing fans. Anyone who throws insults and demeans this guys eforts is a complete azzhole who is NOT a boxing fan. The attention they generate is from negativity and their ok with it because theres very little positive in their lives. Posting pictures of someone who is compromized in a demeaning way tells it all. These people will have a tuff time in life and will generally live on the negative side, admonishing and dosgracing people they don't even know tells us everything you need to know about people like this. They're garbage without ethics or morality!! Ray.
you arent all wrong about the overhand. i would add that its a bent punch, not straight. a straight punch is just that, straight.
a hayemaker is a wild swing, martinez left hand was anything but a hayemaker. the punch that maidana wobbled khan with was a hayemaker.
a hook is kind of like an overhand in that its a bent punch, not straight. the diffrence is its looped around the left hand as oposed to over the top. the major diffrence in techinque is the elbow should be no higher than the fist, unlike an overhand where the elbow is indeed elevated like you said.
there can be some variations though, tim witherspoon threw a quite unorthodox yet short and highly effective overhand right where his elbow was quite low.
good info, im no expert on the names of punches that's for sure
an overhand right is a technique where you loop the right hand over your oponents left in an arching motion. if its thrown straight its a not an overhand, even if it does come over the oponents hand.
so if a fighter throws a lazy jab and you come over it with a straight right its not an overhand, its a straight right over a lazy left jab.
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