His biggest win is Quintana, the only times he fought a legit challenge in Guerrero and Ortiz he lost and got hurt badly
The only reason of his fame is because HBO kept featuring his mismatches. smh
al haymon helped berto's career tremendously. he's allowed him to enjoy a billing that seems to be beyond his level of popularity.
that said, berto has been in some terrific fights. collazo was a great fight. ortiz was the fight of the year. guerrero will be a candidate for foty, and probably come in third behind alvarado- rios, and pacquiao - marquez 4
this^^
haymon + how entertaining his fights are.
say what you want about his level of oposition, you know you dont regret watching after the fight is over.
Yes he is but it doesn't justify him constantly getting top billing with huge paydays. There are many fighters who are much more entertaining than him but aren't treated as good.
Not to mention better fighters, watch him get a bad main event on his return, that spot would be better for guys like brook or abregu that can still make something with their careers
Berto aint going nowhere he already reached his peak and couldnt cut it on the big leagues its all downhill now.
He's an action fighter.
End of.
Stop talking about how good he is, or who he can't beat, or who he's only beat.
Put him in the ring, and you have entertainment guaranteed... at the end of the day, that's what 90% of the people out there watching HBO boxing want to see.
Yes he is but it doesn't justify him constantly getting top billing with huge paydays. There are many fighters who are much more entertaining than him but aren't treated as good.
Andre berto is the quintessential definition of an HBO hype job
Not really. if you ever watched him on dibella's cards from new york when he first started he was exciting to watch. Granted it wasn't great comp but he did earn his way to HBO.
he has been forced to be exciting by getting the s.hit beat out of him inside and not having a ref to bail him out...
if he has a house ref, against a foe who can walk him down, you get Berto-Forbes or Berto-Urango 12 round hugfests....
lol thats true, even the guerrero fight was fought mostly on the clinch, but the ghost knew what he was doing
Well he has been in some really good fights and those were his biggest fights, plus his fights against the lesser guys usually end up with the other guy on the floor or getting stopped in some way. There were a few bad fights he was in no doubt but for the most part his fights have delivered in some way (either a good fight or some guy getting hurt) that casual fans want to see.
No to mention he has been on HBO or Showtime for like all his fights for the last few years, that gives a certain perception unless you are a pretty hardcore fan (but keep in mind people here are the minority of people who watch boxing).
he seems to be more when he loses a fight than when he wins.
he has been forced to be exciting by getting the s.hit beat out of him inside and not having a ref to bail him out...
if he has a house ref, against a foe who can walk him down, you get Berto-Forbes or Berto-Urango 12 round hugfests....
Every fighter has been in their fair share of sleepers. All in all, he's definitely an entertaining fighter... lately more than ever.
he seems to be more when he loses a fight than when he wins.
He's an action fighter.
End of.
Stop talking about how good he is, or who he can't beat, or who he's only beat.
Put him in the ring, and you have entertainment guaranteed... at the end of the day, that's what 90% of the people out there watching HBO boxing want to see.
never really thought of berto as entertaining, maybe because i dont enjoy mismatches
he also doesnt seem to have a large following for an "action fighter" or else he would sellout arenas, i guess it was all haymon
You say that like Berto's never been dull....the dude's fights would all be hugfests if he could have it....he has no skill inside and whenever hes been allowed to hold, he does it all night.
Every fighter has been in their fair share of sleepers. All in all, he's definitely an entertaining fighter... lately more than ever.
He's an action fighter.
End of.
Stop talking about how good he is, or who he can't beat, or who he's only beat.
Put him in the ring, and you have entertainment guaranteed... at the end of the day, that's what 90% of the people out there watching HBO boxing want to see.
You say that like Berto's never been dull....the dude's fights would all be hugfests if he could have it....he has no skill inside and whenever hes been allowed to hold, he does it all night.
al haymon helped berto's career tremendously. he's allowed him to enjoy a billing that seems to be beyond his level of popularity.
that said, berto has been in some terrific fights. collazo was a great fight. ortiz was the fight of the year. guerrero will be a candidate for foty, and probably come in third behind alvarado- rios, and pacquiao - marquez 4
you forget the REAL FOTY......Juanma-Salido 2....which also has the ROTY... round 9
People really do forget fast....
All this hype about JMM-Pac being FOTY is like when Tyson Holyfield won FOTY just because of their fame.
Lots and lots of hype. I remember ring magazine just a few years ago called him and Arreola the future of US boxing. Could have been some other magazine, but i think it was the ring.
He's an action fighter.
End of.
Stop talking about how good he is, or who he can't beat, or who he's only beat.
Put him in the ring, and you have entertainment guaranteed... at the end of the day, that's what 90% of the people out there watching HBO boxing want to see.
Al Haymon did a good job of getting HBO to negotiate against itself when bidding for Berto's fights. From a aesthetic stand point Berto was a young, good looking, American kid with speed and pop. However it never translated into fans. He was a blue chip prospect but he simply stopped getting better. Then throw in the cancellation of the Mosely fight, then Berto gets injured, then the PED test, inactivity and now he loses. He's the classic shoulda' coulda' woulda' fighter. That said he can still get some wins under his belt if he makes some changes in his corner and is matched properly. He F'd up by dumping DiBella. GBP totally used him to prep Guerrero for super stardom.
I noticed Berto gave up using the shoulder block after 2 rounds lol
He never used the shoulder block... he just stood in that stance.
That's actually the ONE HUGE mistake all these fighters do when trying to emulate the philly shell D... They do EVERYTHING, EXCEPT... tuck their CHIN, behind their SHOULDER.
It's not the power as it is the speed and angles he punches at. Lets be honest, Guerrero should of been knocked out about 4 different times :lol1: Some of those uppercuts were Tysoneesque.
guerrero is a f#cking beast :rofl:
on that A side for sure.