A smarter Khan... Unbeatable?

It's one of the most stupidest threads I've ever read. Your saying take out the chance of a big punch landing, what's the opponent meant to do for your hypothetical crap just stand there and throw a weak ass jab for 12 rounds? Obviously he'd win then...... Lol, no YOU are too stupid to understand the thread... Its not that the thread makes no sense... Just becuz ur limited brain can't function the idea that there's more to boxing than landing one "lucky" shot doesn't mean, doesn't mean the thread is stupid I guess becuz of posters like u, I literally have to spell out everything so u truly understand... Basically, hypothetically eliminate the ONE BIG PUNCH landing, then YOU, the reader, now has to look at all the other attributes to boxing... Pretend Matthysse didn't have 1 punch KO power, knowing how he fights, knowing what type of strategy HE IS CAPABLE of bringing into the ring, could he still beat Khan? Or would Khan's superior speed and mobility outpoint him easily? Guerrero, who doesn't really have 1 punch KO power, but does have boxing skill and can fight inside and out, could he take a SMARTER, MORE METHODICAL PACED Khan out of his game plan, or would he be stuck eating 1,2's all night? U were suppose to use ur boxing knowledge to do more than just cry about who's dick was bigger between Floyd and Manny. I know that's asking a lot, but next time, just avoid my threads if ur gonna cry about having to use ur brains, they're not meant for people like u... There'd be no point in me explaining that in the first post anyway, cause half of everyone here didn't even read it

Khan needs to move up in weight 140 is far too light for his frame ... at welter or super welter his chin will hold up better

No, Khan will always be VERY beatable, dude has a chin of glass. A fist to Khan's chin, is like a glass to concrete. It stands no chance!

I actually had a vivid dream about Khan vs Molina, it felt very real. Molina knocked Khan out in the first round. All I saw was Khan wobbling after every punch Molina threw. He was stumbling all over the ring, trying to get away. Every punch was hurting him, until the ref finally stopped it. I don't think that's going to happen though. It shouldn't happen.

So I guess next time I could just title the thread my whole point so that you all have a chance of actually knowing what its about before commenting... I said, take out the one-punch KO thing, then would a Khan with better defense, and that fought at a more calculated pace be unbeatable OBVIOUSLY: No fighter is really UNBEATABLE... OBVIOUSLY: The question is HYPOTHETICAL U guys read the thread title and say, "A smart Khan? Impossible!" or "No fighter is unbeatable... Grrr..." Slap urselves It's one of the most stupidest threads I've ever read. Your saying take out the chance of a big punch landing, what's the opponent meant to do for your hypothetical crap just stand there and throw a weak ass jab for 12 rounds? Obviously he'd win then......

Just watch the Kotelnik fight and you will see Khans best defensive performance since he turned pro. He is too arrogant to change his style in the long term. He might do well in his next fight but he will revert back to being a showman and he will get knocked out again. Danny Garcia is a horrible boxer and Khan should have made him look like a club fighter instead he played right into Garcia's game plan and got what he deserved. He has the natural ability to win against any fighter but the same can't be said of his brain. Yea he was very discipline for the Kotelnik fight, But getting best by Garcia is the final straw that makes me feel he doesn't have what it takes to get up to the next level, Because Garcia IS a horrible boxer but he has a decent IQ and patience for someone who hasn't fought at a high level, So when he got lure in by Garcia and got himself KO am like he is done.

The closest anyone can get to being unbeatable is if you are either Pac, or Floyd cos Floyd dont fight, or Bradley if you get gift decisions like he did against Pac. But Khan can get harder to beat for sure. But the Garcia punch that landed on Khan in the 10th round rather than the third. So even if khan avoids that punch for another 6 rounds khan is still questionable. What is interesting is how khan handles being hurt in future? Does he hold or try punch his way out of trouble.?

Lol, nah mate. . . Khan was beating Garcia's ass, and was way too ****y. . He overcommitted himself by trying to lead with uppercuts, and launch 8-10 punch combinations. It's clear that all Khan had to do with stick with 1-2's, and occasional 1-2-hook/1-2-hook-2's and it'd have been 12 rounds of easy work. He actually tries to entertain the fans, though. . . That's why I don't understand the hate he gets. . . Anyway, Garcia caught Khan, and Khan never regained his legs. . Although he was actually much more lucid, and on the way to recovery when the referee stopped it. Ref should have stopped it after the first KD when Khan was basically out on his feet. . . BUT LOL, Khan was STILL able to fight back, despite being half-way unconscious. . That's how terrible Garcia is - all he could do was wail away on Khan with his guard up. . COuldn't even score a PROPER KO on an unconscious man! Khan will never get the chance to avenge the loss, because Garcia won't rematch him. He knows he caught his lightening in a bottle. . . ANd with the help of the ref, sealed the lid on it. . . Despite Khan being able to bring him two times what he could make short of fightign pac/floyd. Hahaha, I'd bet anything he won't even fight another top 140 pounder like matthysse. He'll fight Khan's leftovers, and other older guys that still have a name like Morales/Judah. lol, you trollin. he seems to "get lucky" with that punch quite often my theory? he's got a terrific left hook and he landed it in a professional boxing match. khan couldnt take it. couldn't get away from it. avoiding those punches should be khan's chief concern. lesser fighter. you can't get a more appropriate comparison in boxing. they fought in their primes, and khan got knocked out. khan's got better wins, but garcia beat khan. there's no such thing as a lucky punch, especially when you land it over and over again. either that, or khan is past his prime.

So I guess next time I could just title the thread my whole point so that you all have a chance of actually knowing what its about before commenting... I said, take out the one-punch KO thing, then would a Khan with better defense, and that fought at a more calculated pace be unbeatable OBVIOUSLY: No fighter is really UNBEATABLE... OBVIOUSLY: The question is HYPOTHETICAL U guys read the thread title and say, "A smart Khan? Impossible!" or "No fighter is unbeatable... Grrr..." Slap urselves

Khan really got his as$$ whipped v garcia. I just rewatched it this am. Embarrassing.

He lost to PEDerson...not by knockout. Khan is a pretty good fighter, but that's all he'll ever be. This type of topic is more reserved for guys like Judah who have legit power and rare athleticism/speed, AND coming from a southpaw who just happens to be a f ucking headcase. Amir's attributes are good no doubt, but they aren't even the best at 140 or 147. Amir Kahn is like Berto... they look good when they're throwing.. but not when the other guy throws back. I'm giving him a pass on the chin a bit because the guys who have hurt him are big punchers landing home run shots. His chin could be a lot better...but we have to kind of think about that too. I worry more about guys like Berto (he survives but he's gone down to guys like Quintana and Guerrero who isn't exactly a big puncher)

Just watch the Kotelnik fight and you will see Khans best defensive performance since he turned pro. He is too arrogant to change his style in the long term. He might do well in his next fight but he will revert back to being a showman and he will get knocked out again. Danny Garcia is a horrible boxer and Khan should have made him look like a club fighter instead he played right into Garcia's game plan and got what he deserved. He has the natural ability to win against any fighter but the same can't be said of his brain. that "horrible boxer" beat the f#cking tar out of amir khan. you cant say "well, they fought in their primes, and garcia won, but khan is better." that's not how this game works. winning the fight means you're better. until khan avenges the loss (which he almost certainly won't,) we've got a perfect standard upon which to judge the two fighters. they fought. they were in their primes. khan was beat up badly and stopped.

The kid doesnt have a chin. It doesnt matter how smart he is because it's inevitable that in some point during the fight a hard shot is going to land on that brittle chin and then its bambi on ice part....6??

I'll briefly synopsize Khan's weaknesses, and limitations before I fully address this post, and Khan's ability to remain unbeaten from here on out: 1.) Defense. This is where Khan's issue starts, and ends. It's all traced to this aspect, or lack thereof, of his game. There are three main types of defense: Using your feet to move, and dictate range (Sergio Martinez); "ear muffs," or having a high-guard, and basic blocking with your gloves, forearms, and elbows. See Joshua Clottey, Arthur Abraham; Head/upper body movement. This is the hardest form of defense to implement. See James Toney. Then you have guys like Hopkins, Pep (very similar to each other in defensive styles), and Mayweather, and Whitaker who use ASPECTS OF ALL THREE. NOTE: There are different defensive strategies, and skills - using intangibles, and intelligence (Hopkins, and Pep), but these are the basic approaches. While Khan understands how to throw up the ear muffs, and use his feet to dictate range, he is completely helpless when it comes to utilizing head, and upper body movement. This in turn, prevents him from standing strong in the pocket, and fully taking advantage of his hand-speed; he is unable to TRANSITION FROM DEFENSE TO OFFENSE, and vice versa. He is either 100% offense, and committing himself to the attack, or he is moving away, and/or throwing the earmuffs up. Indeed, Khan has no head/upper body movement. . And he can't slip punches. . He can only use his foot speed to move away (very tiring), or throw earmuffs on/high guard up, which saps stamina as well from absorbing shots. 2.) Counterpunching. See above paragraph. Khan's lack of defense inhibits him from standing in the pocket, within punching range, slipping punches, and returning fire. He either has to commit himself 100% to his attack, or 100% to his defense. 3.) Inside fighting. While many boxers today (even great, world class ones, who I would rank above Khan right now) lack this tedious, detailed, and brilliant skill - Khan really has no in-fighting ability whatsoever. . . he is absolutely clueless. All of the most complete boxers possess this ability, though. Infighting involves more than simply getting within the other boxer's range, burying your head into his chest, and turning over short, crisp, accurate, powerful hooks, and uppercuts. Indeed, it's more than just offensive infighting - it's defensive capabilities too like knowing how/when to tie your opponent up. If Khan could just develop some basic infighting abilities, he would be able to preserve so much more stamina (by not getting on his bicycle full-speed), and prevent his opponent from teeing off on him while he just stands there with earmuffs on. . . Khan develops some infighting technique, we'll see him stand in the pocket, slip punches, and then fire back. . . We'll see him transition from offensive output, to defensive prevention. So, in conclusion, we see that Khan's defensive ineptness coincide, and directly are directly tied to his inability to counter-punch, and fight on the inside. Which in turn, prevent him from TRANSITIONING FROM OFFENSE TO DEFENSE! (and vice-versa). Good post. It's the absence of infighting ability that makes him perennially beatable in my opinion. He will inevitably run into guys who're not afraid of his power and who will keep walking him down. His only response is to run and you can't run forever.

amir khan never has and never will be anything close to unbeatable. he has too many irreparable flaws, and no trainer will make him any better than he already is. he might get better defense and better "smarts" from virgil, but when the shit hits the fan, he is gonna be the same amateurish khan, with the same bravado that he thinks he has that makes him super tough and invincible, but instead it makes him what he is, which is a B- fighter with good handspeed, and that'll never change...

We'll find out soon enough if Khan can change and fight smarter. I'm not sure he can. If he can, he is very talented and has all the heart in the world. He can be damn good.

If you give him bhop's ring iq, floyds defense, valero's aresenal, nonito's power, and froch's chin- unbeatable :lol1::lol1: the recipe for GOAT!

With a jab like his, he should be fighting like Monzon, Holmes, or Hearns and not like Pacquiao. I agree in a sense...but those dudes packed that eraser....one hitter quitter type power...AK doesn't have that power

If you give him bhop's ring iq, floyds defense, valero's aresenal, nonito's power, and froch's chin- unbeatable

lol at unbeatable... but he wouldn't get his ass kicked as much if he didn't fight like an idiot