Pacquiao-Marquez 4: Sweet Science or Chemical Warfare?

Yeah but still the article does`nt question Pacquiao`s big head and huge calves which is usually signs of Roid use.And moving up all these weight classes taking these punches from bigger guys like nothing but in the lower weight classes he was getting rocked,stunned and ko`ed. Also the article does`nt mention Pacquiao lame excuse on why he would`nt take a test for 2 years,go on to sue Floyd which forces Floyd to backtrack cause Floyd wanted to pay very little in the settlement. The article seem interested in protecting Pacquiao`s image while throwing other people under the bus. And Nonito Donaire taking a test weeks after he announced it means nothing cause he could have cycled the roids out his system. I stop going to that website a long time ago cause its pretty lame. What part of 365/24/7 do you not understand?

Let them juice all they want to have a fair fight. Unlike Floyd preventing his opponents to do that against him while he himself injecting his butt with it (PED). All he needs to do is pay USADA to keep their mouth shut. another conspiracy theorist you need to not be writing on a forum but writing your very own novel.

Excellent article by Gabe Montoya on PEDs, Memo, Ariza, and the boxing game. http://www.maxboxing.com/news/main-lead/pacquiao-marquez-4-sweet-science-or-chemical-warfare (Sorry, article is too long to post plus I'm not 100% on posting others original work on these forums). Interesting that Memo is working with multiple fighters but refuses to name them. Yeah but still the article does`nt question Pacquiao`s big head and huge calves which is usually signs of Roid use.And moving up all these weight classes taking these punches from bigger guys like nothing but in the lower weight classes he was getting rocked,stunned and ko`ed. Also the article does`nt mention Pacquiao lame excuse on why he would`nt take a test for 2 years,go on to sue Floyd which forces Floyd to backtrack cause Floyd wanted to pay very little in the settlement. The article seem interested in protecting Pacquiao`s image while throwing other people under the bus. And Nonito Donaire taking a test weeks after he announced it means nothing cause he could have cycled the roids out his system. I stop going to that website a long time ago cause its pretty lame.

Let them juice all they want to have a fair fight. Unlike Floyd preventing his opponents to do that against him while he himself injecting his butt with it (PED). All he needs to do is pay USADA to keep their mouth shut.

guess you didnt read this part Alex told me he has been working with Heredia and he says everything is by the book,” Arum told this reporter earlier this week at the media day for Pacquiao at the Wild Card boxing club in Hollywood, CA. “Alex is working with Heredia? Since when?” I asked. “You’d have to ask him” said Arum. working with Heredia so what? guilt by association is logic for the intellectually lazy

I think that will be how this era gets remembered in the long run sadly. It's not as if the scandals are going to stop coming, and ultimately a big question mark will hang over a whole generation of fighters. Boxing will never have it as bad as athletics or cycling on this front, because there's so much more of a technical dimension to boxing than either of those fields, but there will be unanswered questions nonetheless. There may be a lot of truth to what you just said.

This has to be imposed from above. As much as I hate the idea of big government, it has its uses, and this is probably one of them. Drug abuse is a likelier hot-button for government involvement than that other big problem in boxing: the fragmentation of the sport via an excess of sanctioning bodies. The alternative is tin-pot tyrants, which is what we have in boxing when it comes down to it.

I'd rather look beyond any he-said she-said bullshit: We can't count on Nonito Donaire becoming the rule rather than the exception (pro boxers VOLUNTARILY submitting to a full-on WADA protocol, 365/12). We can't count on the Athletic Commissions imposing foolproof testing protocols, for political as well as practical reasons: who would foot the bill, which includes not just actual testing costs, but indrectly, the R&D that allows testing contractors to keep pace with low-observable drugs. We certainly can't count on the (remaining) fans, who just keep on paying to see dirty fighters. This has to be imposed from above. As much as I hate the idea of big government, it has its uses, and this is probably one of them. Drug abuse is a likelier hot-button for government involvement than that other big problem in boxing: the fragmentation of the sport via an excess of sanctioning bodies. That would be VADA. :biggthump

where would Pac get his PEDs, it aint Ariza that's for sure, Alex doesnt look smart enough IF Pac was ever juicin, that is the question to ask we know JMM can get it from Heredia, who makes undetectable stuff (if you believe he's actually juicing, which i dont) guess you didnt read this part Alex told me he has been working with Heredia and he says everything is by the book,” Arum told this reporter earlier this week at the media day for Pacquiao at the Wild Card boxing club in Hollywood, CA. “Alex is working with Heredia? Since when?” I asked. “You’d have to ask him” said Arum.

Alex told me he has been working with Heredia and he says everything is by the book,” Arum told this reporter earlier this week at the media day for Pacquiao at the Wild Card boxing club in Hollywood, CA. “Alex is working with Heredia? Since when?” I asked. “You’d have to ask him” said Arum.

Funny thing is Ariza used to work for Memo, there should have been mandatory random testing for this fight

I think that will be how this era gets remembered in the long run sadly. It's not as if the scandals are going to stop coming, and ultimately a big question mark will hang over a whole generation of fighters. Boxing will never have it as bad as athletics or cycling on this front, because there's so much more of a technical dimension to boxing than either of those fields, but there will be unanswered questions nonetheless. It might have to get to the point of a fighter dying in the ring at the hands of a PED user.

99% are dirty until 365/24/7 I think that will be how this era gets remembered in the long run sadly. It's not as if the scandals are going to stop coming, and ultimately a big question mark will hang over a whole generation of fighters. Boxing will never have it as bad as athletics or cycling on this front, because there's so much more of a technical dimension to boxing than either of those fields, but there will be unanswered questions nonetheless.

99% are dirty until 365/24/7

where would Pac get his PEDs, it aint Ariza that's for sure, Alex doesnt look smart enough IF Pac was ever juicin, that is the question to ask we know JMM can get it from Heredia, who makes undetectable stuff (if you believe he's actually juicing, which i dont) Ariza doesn't need to have the knowledge about making the drugs. All he needs is a supplier and/or source. Ask Victor Conte. The writer of the above article is a Conte puppet by the way. Virtually everything Conte says that journalist takes as the gospel of Jesus and runs with it. Chemical Warfare was Conte's term for Pacquaio vs. Marquez 4 and he's been going on and on about it for weeks now. The irony about Conte's accusations is that there was some rumors about what Zab Judah was using in the weeks leading up to the Amir Khan fight, because of his ties to Conte. Zab looked physically better than he ever did in his career. Real shredded. So much so that Ariza said he had to convince Khan not to worry about that because Khan expressed concern about Zab's physique.

Interesting read, and while I applaud Montoya's continued efforts to investigate the subject matter, it's not easy to see what he's actually recommending here. I guess that boxing writers like him, similar to Walsh and Kimmage in the cycling world, are just trying to keep this issue in the news. God knows there's plenty of people who'd be happier if it went away. It's also quite difficult to tackle guys like Heredia unless you can access financial records. And you need an extremely strong case plus government backing to do that.

Interesting read I guess. In my eyes Pac was a PED abuser which explains the run he went on and I think JMM is on them now. My opinion. where would Pac get his PEDs, it aint Ariza that's for sure, Alex doesnt look smart enough IF Pac was ever juicin, that is the question to ask we know JMM can get it from Heredia, who makes undetectable stuff (if you believe he's actually juicing, which i dont)

Interesting read I guess. In my eyes Pac was a PED abuser which explains the run he went on and I think JMM is on them now. My opinion.