And where does he go from here.
As far as last night, imo he tried being too cute. He boxed pretty well, but trout was able to effectively take some things away from cotto, mostly due to his size and slickness. Cotto was able to hurt/stun trout, sometime around the third or fourth round iirc.
Somethings to note, first time ive been kinda disappointed in pedro. Cotto is seemingly trying to be too cute when he boxes, almost to the point where he is almost amateurish in just trying to get points, and where the fuk was his jab? Should be his number one punch, always working behind it, etc. Oh, and pedro, can you tell Miguel how to block a fukn uppercut? His whole freakin career....
As far as where he goes from here, im not too interested in seeing a rematch. Its a fight cotto can win, but due to trouts size and slickness, its a longshot. Cotto would have to change his game up, not try to be so cute and just brawl. Theres a time to box, and theres a time to fight.
Canelo is a better matchup stylistically for cotto, but at the same time he is a big jr middleweight aswell who throws brutal shots, things could get interesting and turn bad for cotto quickly. Personally, id like to see miguel go back to 147. I think he can make it healthily, and is just lazy in this regard. Some good fights/matchups are here, including Guerrero, pac or marquez, etc.
What say you?
Just watched it. I have to say, he didn't look too bad aside from being fatigued and sloppy near the end. I think it was mostly a matter of Trout being so much bigger, dude looked huge in there.
I didn't think he looked that bad either. I just don't think he can be the same wrecking machine he once was at 154, if he's capable of doing it at all.
It's just that Trout was very good, and wasn't one bit intimidated by Cotto or the Garden. If Canelo had come to New York and won as convincingly as that he'd be lauded as having proved himself as the real deal last night.
1. Cotto dint throw the jab because it was almost impossible do to the size and reach of Trout and Trout was pumping his jab all night making it dificult for Cotto to fet off.
2. He did what he could with all the disadvantages in height, reach, age and speed. I knew Trout was big but conpared to Cotto he looked like a 168 pounder.
3. Right know he should take a break and comeback in june of next year against Bundrage(if he still has the belt) and make the fight in Puerto Rico.
I have to watch the fight again but last night I had it 116-113 in favor of Trout.
1. With the way Cotto was slipping punches he could have EASILY counter jabbed all night long but he decided to keep moving instead of stickin it to Trout and moving. I'm a huge Cotto an and this pissed me off.
2. It's easier to get someone when you get lower than your opponent, and Cotto reached and put himself in horrible positions MULTIPLE TIMES in that fight. It's not like Trout was able to shut Cotto down. Cotto just got impatient and didn't utilize his fundamentals as well as he usually does.
3. Probably a good idea.
Trout fought a good fight, I won't deny that. What Cotto didn't do he capitalized on over and over again.
Cotto just looked too slow, too sloppy, and ill equipped to deal with what Trout was showing. Whether that's age, weight, or Trout, it was not a good night for Cotto. He seemed clueless when that fight hit the halfway point.
Just watched it. I have to say, he didn't look too bad aside from being fatigued and sloppy near the end. I think it was mostly a matter of Trout being so much bigger, dude looked huge in there.
I don't think 147 is a viable option, I actually believe the guy when he says he can't make ww anymore.
I stand by what I said earlier though, fight k9 and retire. He could probably still score a couple of wins at 154 but given the fact that he can't KO the bigger guys, his lack of stamina is gonna have him struggling against just about every contender.
He done well, just lost to the bigger, faster man.
I had it even after 8 so he was very much in the fight, Trout just made use of his advantages in the final rounds to pick up a great win.
...he's way too small for true 154lb fighters.
The size disadvantage against a superior athlete was a bit much for him I thought.
Cotto looked like a vet on the down swing in a division that he doesnt belong in.
I just think Cotto had it all stacked against him. Trout was just too good stylistically, he was busier, faster, slicker and stronger. Cotto wasn't able to get past Trouts jab and when he did get inside Trout tied him up or actually overpowered him.
Having said that Cotto looked slow and slugish, he didn't have any snap in his punches either.
154 is just not Cotto's place. He's too small.
His stamina still sucks.
...I think we also saw he just can't compete with a true 154 world class fighter.
i thought cotto fought a great fight. he was just in there with a very good young fighter who was hungry for the win and fought a slightly better fight. cotto should have gon to the body earlier, other than that im not sure what he could have done diffrent.
his defense was excellent, he was throwing combinations, using his jab to get inside well considering what was in front of him. trout just wouldnt be denied. his size, youth, skills and hunger was too much for miguel to overcome.
A lot of good remarks in this thread. I copy/pasted the quotes I agree with most. My favorite all-around post is the last. #1Assassin echoes my thoughts very closely.
Miguel fought a good fight, but I've thought for a while that he's seen his best days. In fact, I would say Cotto hasn't been as good since he moved up to 154. Age and the increased size of his opponents are catching up to him. Miguel has no need to take unnecessary punishment, nor to look bad against guys that only a few years ago couldn't carry his spit bucket. The time is fast approaching when Cotto should hang 'em up, if it hasn't arrived already....
Gotta love the Cottards. First Pac tried to drain Cotto for fighting at a CW @ 150...a catch weight you guys were approving with Margarito and now that he lost he should go back to WW. :lol1: You guys contradict yourselves so much it's hilarious.
I don't understand how people are saying Trout looked bigger. Even if its true, Cotto had also done this in the past. At 140 when he fought Corley he came in on fight night at 155.
I just think Cotto had it all stacked against him. Trout was just too good stylistically, he was busier, faster, slicker and stronger. Cotto wasn't able to get past Trouts jab and when he did get inside Trout tied him up or actually overpowered him.
Having said that Cotto looked slow and slugish, he didn't have any snap in his punches either.
I think he needs to go back down to 147 or retire. He gets Margaritoed if he fights Canelo and I don't wanna see Cotto as a stepping stone.
Cotto got sluggish after the 5th because Trout smothered him and tired him big time. He ran out of steam earlier than ever before because he pressed the action the first few rounds and Trout would tangle and smother whenever he got close. Excellent strategy by Austin. He won fair and square. Kudos to Trout he needs to be the man who gets Canelo he deserves it.
I hated that looping left hook he kept throwing, it wasn't landing very much and Trout countered him on it a LOT. Quit throwing his jab which he always does. Then he once again got tired when the fight got close in the late rounds. I commend him for choosing Trout when he didn't have to, but I think maybe he needs to look towards WW or agree to Pac's CW demand, if that fight is ever offered again.
Why are you blaming Cotto's trainer? Why? Cotto lost to a superior fighter last night, Trout could well go on to do big things which would make this win make more sense, I think people need to relax and take this in later.
I just think Cotto had it all stacked against him. Trout was just too good stylistically, he was busier, faster, slicker and stronger. Cotto wasn't able to get past Trouts jab and when he did get inside Trout tied him up or actually overpowered him.
Having said that Cotto looked slow and slugish, he didn't have any snap in his punches either.
I think he needs to go back down to 147 or retire. He gets Margaritoed if he fights Canelo and I don't wanna see Cotto as a stepping stone.
Agree with this completely.
His stamina still sucks. I thought his stamina would improve with training in Big Bear and not having to cut too much weight(I'm assuming he's no cutting too much weight because he looks small for 154), but nope. It still sucks.
I think we also saw he just can't compete with a true 154 world class fighter. If you look at his run at 154, it's not very impressive. Almost all the fighters before Trout were blown up Welterweights.
i thought cotto fought a great fight. he was just in there with a very good young fighter who was hungry for the win and fought a slightly better fight. cotto should have gon to the body earlier, other than that im not sure what he could have done diffrent.
his defense was excellent, he was throwing combinations, using his jab to get inside well considering what was in front of him. trout just wouldnt be denied. his size, youth, skills and hunger was too much for miguel to overcome.
154 is just not Cotto's place. He's too small. He's only fought one natural 154 lber, and that's Foreman, who isn't much anyway. His only success at 154 was against guys who came from the same divisions he started at. He made a career on being the physically superior fighter, and that's what triggers his success against opponents. I don't believe his power has carried up in weight the way he needed it to to be Cotto. I called this fight exactly how it ended up playing out, granted I think the fight was much closer than others are saying.
I just think Cotto had it all stacked against him. Trout was just too good stylistically, he was busier, faster, slicker and stronger. Cotto wasn't able to get past Trouts jab and when he did get inside Trout tied him up or actually overpowered him.
Having said that Cotto looked slow and slugish, he didn't have any snap in his punches either.
I think he needs to go back down to 147 or retire. He gets Margaritoed if he fights Canelo and I don't wanna see Cotto as a stepping stone.
Cotto looked like a vet on the down swing in a division that he doesnt belong in. We can pick apart the whole fight to figure out why Cotto lost. The simple fact is that he could not reach Trout but Trout's jab had no problem reaching him. I'd like to see Miguel hang them up now but we know fighters rarely cut it clean.
Cotto still has alot left in the tank, specifically in the 147 lb division. Last night wasnt a matter of cotto being too old, too tentative to pull the trigger, etc but he just fought a much bigger, slicker guy. Trout fought a great fight, and came out with the w.
He can beat anybody in the 147 lb divison. Id favor cotto to beat guerrero, marquez, even pacquaio, but would favor mayweather over him, with that said cotto would still give mayweather a run for his money, again. Hes far from done, still has gas in the tank and can do great things for his legend.
The size disadvantage against a superior athlete was a bit much for him I thought. He wasn't strong enough to get Trout where he wanted him on the inside, and while he was landing the left hook upstairs through his best rounds, Trout started to take it away from him with some nice right hooks of his own.
I think Trout was just more resilient than most people gave him credit for. He didn't wilt when Cotto landed hard shots and he used his own strengths well. If Cotto's power isn't intimidating his opponent he tends to find himself in trouble.
He done well, just lost to the bigger, faster man.
I had it even after 8 so he was very much in the fight, Trout just made use of his advantages in the final rounds to pick up a great win.
I don't think he should walk away, just try and see if he can get back to 147, he's way too small for true 154lb fighters.
I agree with the Canelo statement. I still haven't watched the fight, but I hear Cotto faded pretty bad near the end. That and the fact that Trout seems to have roughed Cotto up at times makes me think a Canelo fight would look a lot like the first Marg fight.
I don't ever want to see Cotto as a stepping stone, and I think its gotten to that point. If I were to have it my way, I'd have him fight k9 and retire to see him go out on a win and a title (lets be honest, beating k9 is no achievement, it'd be more of a formality).
Yup K9 should have been the fighter he faced last night and should be his next opponent.