Toney vs Hopkins.. better resume?

If losses, draws, and no contests counted as being in some one's resume, then yeah it's Toney. If you go by what you're supposed to go by, which is wins then it's Bernard Hopkins of course. But Toney's resume doesn't trail by that much. Merqui Sosa, Michael Nunn, Reggie Johnson, Mike McCallum 2x, Tiberi, Iran Barkley, Jirov, Holyfield. Glen Johnson, Tito Trinidad, Antonio Tarver, Kelly Pavlik, Winky Wright, Jean Pascal, Oscar De La Hoya, William Joppy.

Hopkins' is impressive and lengthy but JT's is packed deeeeep with top names, even his non title bouts were against solid opposition...James Toney hasnt had a "night off" in more than 20 years...IMO...

Hopkins. and its not even close. lol @ 50 % who voted for Toney Needs some explaining. Hopkins' best win is who? Trinidad or Tarver? Toney's best wins are McCallum (beast), Nunn (beast), Jirov (beast).. even KOed an old Holyfield Toney and Hopkins are roughly the same size, Toney was able to move up and win @ Heavyweight while Bernard fought at 160 nearly his whole career.

Hopkins. and its not even close. lol @ 50 % who voted for Toney

I love looking at these lists. Look at how dominant Hagler was and look at the list of names he outlasted. For you noobs, this is a good way to get a feel for what the atmosphere (atmosphere feels like the wrong word) of the sport might have been like.

I think Mosley was #1 at that point. Not sure though. Going off memory like yourself.Oh yeah, you're right. It was Mosley, Jones, Tito. edit: just did a quick search and somebody has posted ring mag p4p lists since 1980 or something. Past Pound For Pound Lists I want to collect a pound for pound list from every year since its introduction. If you guys have an old Ring Magazine lying around and can post the list up it'll definitely be a help and be appreciated. Hopefully, we can compile a list of Ring lists and pick either the first, mid, or last month list if we get more than one. A respected boxing writer's list will due and we'll choose which boxing writers list should stay if there's more than one. Those that don't state who made it are Ring lists. I'll start it off: 1980 KO Magazine (January) 1 - Roberto Duran 2 - Sugar Ray Leonard 3 - Wilfredo Gomez 4 - Danny Lopez 5 - Pipino Cuevas 6 - Alexis Arguello 7 - Larry Holmes 8 - Wilfred Benitez 9 - Vito Antuofermo/Matt Saad Muhammad (tie) 1981 KO Magazine (January) 1 - Thomas Hearns 2 - Sugar Ray Leonard 3 - Marvin Hagler 4 - Larry Holmes 5 - Alexis Arguello 6 - Wilfredo Gomez 7 - Eddie Mustafa Muhammad 8 - Matt Saad Muhammmad 9 - Wilfred Benitez 10 - Roberto Duran/Aaron Pryor (tie) 1982 KO Magazine 1. Sugar Ray Leonard 2. Alexis Arguello 3. Marvin Hagler 4. Salvador Sanchez 5. Wilfred Benitez 6. Larry Holmes 7. Jeff Chandler 8. Eusebio Pedroza 9. Aaron Pryor 10. Thomas Hearns/Dwight Braxton* (tie) *Dwight Muhammad Qawi 1983 KO Magazine 1. Marvin Hagler 2. Aaron Pryor 3. Larry Holmes 4. Michael Spinks 5. Jeff Chandler 6. Thomas Hearns 7. Alexis Arguello 8. Wilfredo Gomez 9. Hector Camacho 10. Eusebio Pedroza 1984 KO Magazine 1. Marvin Hagler 2. Aaron Pryor 3. Larry Holmes 4. Eusebio Pedroza 5. Hector Camacho 6. Ray Leonard 6. Jeff Chandler 8. Michael Spinks 9. Thomas Hearns 10. Donald Curry 1985 KO Magazine 1. Marvin Hagler 2. Hector Camacho 3. Michael Spinks 4. Donald Curry 5. Thomas Hearns 6. Barry McGuigan 7. Milton McCrory 8. Julio Cesar Chavez 8. Pinklon Thomas 10. Larry Holmes 1986 KO Magazine 1. Marvin Hagler 2. Mike Tyson 3. Donald Curry 4. Thomas Hearns 5. Edwin Rosario 6. Azumah Nelson 6. Michael Spinks 8. Evander Holyfield 9. Julio Cesar Chavez 10. Hector Camacho 1988 KO Magazine 1. Mike Tyson 2. Julio Cesar Chavez 3. Evander Holyfield 4. Ray Leonard 5. Jeff Fenech 6. Michael Nunn 7. Azumah Nelson 8. Jung Koo Chang 9. Buddy McGirt 10. Sumbu Kalambay 1989 1. Mike Tyson 2. Julio Cesar Chavez 3. Pernell Whitaker 4. Michael Nunn 5. Antonio Esparragoza 6. Meldrick Taylor 7. Azumah Nelson 8. Raul Perez 9. Virgil Hill 10. Marlon Starling 1990 1. Julio Cesar Chavez 2. Pernell Whitaker 3. Michael Nunn 4. Antonio Esparragoza 5. Meldrick Taylor 6. Evander Holyfield 7. Mike Tyson 8. Raul Perez 9. Myung-Woo Yuh 10. Khaosai Galaxy 1992 1. Julio Cesar Chavez 2. Pernell Whitaker 3. Terry Norris 4. Orlando Canizales 5. James (Buddy) McGirt 6. Riddick Bowe 7. Azumah Nelson 8. Sung-Kil Moon 9. Julian Jackson 10. James Toney 1993 1. Pernell Whitaker 2. Julio Cesar Chavez 3. James Toney 4. Michael Carbajal 5. Orlando Canizales 6. Evander Holyfield 7. Ricardo Lopez 8. Roy Jones Jr. 9. Kennedy McKinney 10. Yuri Arbachakov 1994 1. Pernell Whitaker 2. Roy Jones Jr. 3. Orlando Canizales 4. Ricardo Lopez 5. Humberto Gonzalez 6. Frankie Randall 7. Felix Trinidad 8. Gerald McClellan 9. Miguel Angel Gonzalez 10. Kevin Kelley 1995 1. Pernell Whitaker 2. Roy Jones Jr. 3. Ricardo Lopez 4. Oscar De La Hoya 5. Felix Trinidad 6. Yuri Arbachakov 7. Kostya Tszyu 8. Riddick Bowe 9. Marco Antonio Barrera 10. Terry Norris 1996 1. Roy Jones Jr. 2. Oscar De La Hoya 3. Pernell Whitaker 4. Felix Trinidad 5. Ricardo Lopez 6. Junior Jones 7. Kostya Tszyu 8. Terry Norris 9. Evander Holyfield 10. Mark Johnson 1997 KO Magazine 1. Oscar De La Hoya 2. Roy Jones Jr. 3. Felix Trinidad 4. Pernell Whitaker 5. Evander Holyfield 6. Terry Norris 7. Junior Jones 8. Ricardo Lopez 9. Ike Quartey 10. Mark Johnson 1998 1. Oscar De La Hoya 2. Roy Jones Jr. 3. Evander Holyfield 4. Felix Trinidad 5. Mark Johnson 6. Shane Mosley 7. Ricardo Lopez 8. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 9. Naseem Hamed 10. Johnny Tapia 1999 1. Roy Jones Jr. 2. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 3. Felix Trinidad 4. Oscar De La Hoya 5. Shane Mosley 6. Mark Johnson 7. Ricardo Lopez 8. Erik Morales 9. Bernard Hopkins 10. Stevie Johnston 2000 1. Shane Mosley 2. Felix Trinidad 3. Roy Jones Jr. 4. Oscar De La Hoya 5. Diego Corrales 6. Naseem Hamed 7. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 8. Lennox Lewis 9. Erik Morales 10. Bernard Hopkins 2001 1. Shane Mosley 2. Bernard Hopkins 3. Roy Jones Jr. 4. Marco Antonio Barrera 5. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 6. Felix Trinidad 7. Oscar De La Hoya 8. Ricardo Lopez 9. Kostya Tszyu 10. Erik Morales 2002 1. Bernard Hopkins 2. Roy Jones Jr. 3. Marco Antonio Barrera 4. Vernon Forrest 5. Oscar De La Hoya 6. Kostya Tszyu 7. Erik Morales 8. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 9. Lennox Lewis 10. Shane Mosley 2003 1. Roy Jones Jr. 2. Bernard Hopkins 3. Shane Mosley 4. Oscar De La Hoya 5. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 6. Manny Pacquiao 7. Kostya Tszyu 8. Erik Morales 9. James Toney 10. Antonio Tarver 2004 1. Bernard Hopkins 2. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 3. Kostya Tszyu 4. Ronald (Winky) Wright 5. Manny Pacquiao 6. Juan Manuel Marquez 7. Marco Antonio Barrera 8. Erik Morales 9. Glen Johnson 10. Antonio Tarver 2005 1. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 2. Ronald (Winky) Wright 3. Marco Antonio Barrera 4. Ricky Hatton 5. Manny Pacquiao 6. Erik Morales 7. Juan Manuel Marquez 8. Rafael Marquez 9. Jose Luis Castillo 10. Zab Judah 2006 1. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 2. Manny Pacquiao 3. Ronald (Winky) Wright 4. Jermain Taylor 5. Bernard Hopkins 6. Marco Antonio Barrera 7. Rafael Marquez 8. Ricky Hatton 9. Jose Luis Castillo 10. Joe Calzaghe 2007 Doug Fischer - Maxboxing.com 1. Floyd Mayweather 2. Manny Pacquiao 3. Joe Calzaghe 4. Juan Manuel Marquez 5. Bernard Hopkins 6. Israel Vazquez/Rafael Marquez 8. Miguel Cotto 9. Ivan Calderon 10. Winky Wright 2008 1. Manny Pacquiao 2. Juan Manuel Marquez 3. Joe Calzaghe 4. Bernard Hopkins 5. Israel Vazquez 6. Antonio Margarito 7. Rafael Marquez 8. Miguel Cotto 9. Ivan Calderon 10. Ricky Hatton

if memory serves, he was number two, right behind RJ. I think Mosley was #1 at that point. Not sure though. Going off memory like yourself.

No, he wasn't. But he was near the top of the P4P list.if memory serves, he was number two, right behind RJ.

Toney and consistent don't belong in the same sentence. He lost to Montell Griffin twice, Griffin was a good fighter but what did he accomplish in his career besides being competitive with Roy for a few rounds in the first fight? And there was the bad decision against Tiberi. Oscar was just a name at 160 but Tito was legit at the weight, how many middleweights today would destroy Joppy like that? And wasn't Tito ranked #1 P4P at the time? This win + being the longest reigning middleweight champ + being the oldest man to win a world title > Toney's resume. And I love both fighters equally. No, he wasn't. But he was near the top of the P4P list.

I do, Toney only has 7 losses and 74 wins, he was a 2 time fighter of the year, 3 division champ, seems he was just as dominant and constant as Hopkins to me, look at the fighters toney was fighting at middle compared to hopkins, toney would have went through all of Hopkins middle weight title defenses with out a loss, but would hopkins have beat Nunn, mccallum reggie johnson, maybe but those would have been competitive fights. Like i said before Hopkins has the bigger flashy names, toney has the more legit wins though. Guys at their best in their weight class. I know people love Hopkins but the only reason i can see people picking him over Toney is because he’s more popular these days, he has shaky losses as well. This is a good point. Toney would have easily gone though Hopkins MW resume undefeated and that includes Trinidad. He also has a better win in McCallum than any win Hopkins has. This doesn't make him greater, but just throwing it out there. That said, I'd say Hopkins personally.

I vote Hopkins by far. Toney had to many out of shape fights in which he did not fight near his best. If Toney always fought at his proper weight in top condition like Hopkins it might have been different. Toney at his very best was possibly better than Hopkins but that Toney rarely showed up.

I do, Toney only has 7 losses and 74 wins, he was a 2 time fighter of the year, 3 division champ, seems he was just as dominant and constant as Hopkins to me, look at the fighters toney was fighting at middle compared to hopkins, toney would have went through all of Hopkins middle weight title defenses with out a loss, but would hopkins have beat Nunn, mccallum reggie johnson, maybe but those would have been competitive fights. Like i said before Hopkins has the bigger flashy names, toney has the more legit wins though. Guys at their best in their weight class. I know people love Hopkins but the only reason i can see people picking him over Toney is because he’s more popular these days, he has shaky losses as well. Toney and consistent don't belong in the same sentence. He lost to Montell Griffin twice, Griffin was a good fighter but what did he accomplish in his career besides being competitive with Roy for a few rounds in the first fight? And there was the bad decision against Tiberi. Oscar was just a name at 160 but Tito was legit at the weight, how many middleweights today would destroy Joppy like that? And wasn't Tito ranked #1 P4P at the time? This win + being the longest reigning middleweight champ + being the oldest man to win a world title > Toney's resume. And I love both fighters equally.

I think Toney has the better resume.

Hopkins has the bigger names and toney has the tougher fights. Anyone who doesn’t think its debatable doesn’t know how good the fighters toney beat were. Toney wins are much better then Hopkins in my opinion. whose a tougher fight, Mike McCallum or blown up trinidad? blown up oscar or Michael Nunn? Tarver or Jirov? Toney resume to me edges Hopkins You need to take the losses and the consistency (or lack thereof) into account.

It's funny how when it comes to black boxers, people seem to be scared to call them cheaters and stuff. Since most people on here are cheater avengers, they should automatically void Toney since he got busted twice and easily pick Hopkins. http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg281/prophessorlee/neggedV2.gif

I would say B-Hop based on overall longevity, also Toney has some excellent wins but several bad loses that B-Hop doesn't really have and I don't think that can be overlooked.

Toney is definitely more skilled

I'd say Hopkins, and I don't think it's all that close really.