How can people call Cotto a bum

One of the best of this era and a lock for the HOF.

Cotto aint no damn bum who said dat sht yo?

have to disagree there. he has fought some of the best, but he didnt win! he also hasnt taken a title of anybody except foreman?! too many vacant titles in there. you have to do a bit more than beat judah and mosley in my opinion, and the mosley fight could have gone either way. But you agreed that Hatton was a HoF in another thread? His best wins were against an inactive kostya tszyu, and a past prime Castillo. Lost to Luis Collazo in my eyes, and just got KO'd by Senchenko a B+ fighter at best. I give him credit for beating malignaggi and also for trying to come back. I liked him as a fighter don't get me wrong. It's just funny how people are so critical about everyone else EXCEPT their favorite fighter lol. People come up with excuses and stretch the imagination for them though!

Never heard anyone call him a bum tbh. He's a good fighter and nothing more or nothing less.

Originally Posted by lfc19titles Not a bum but is a b+ fighter at best imo I think he has the brains for the spot but physically he does not have it, his speed, stamina, reflexes and power are shot not where they should be to be a great fighter mosley fight was a good example, he fought a shot fighter, barely won, in my opinion he lost that fight but it could have gone either way i supposeHe also has discipline issues, his frame is perfect for welterweight, he should be fighting at 147 but puts on too much weight between fights Hell no! FMJr. fought a shopworn Mosley, Pac fought a passed prime and shopworn Mosely, Canelo fought a well passed prime-on retirement Mosley. Cotto fought him like 3-4 years earlier when he was still well on his game and beating ass left and right. Shot is harsh but way past his prime, in his prime he was a Gattling gun, he lost his ammo and became an ak 47 later on also clottey, cotto 100 percent lost that fight I don't hate on him, i respect him for the fights he has taken but I am being honest You must be smoking some serious bad weed brah. Get off the drugs! Cotto was destroying that azz until the headbut where he could have called the fight and won on the cards with ease. The only reason this fight went the distancce was due to the cut where Miguel was unable to see. Stop drinking the coolaid! Lmao calling Mosley shot, 5 YEARS before May and Pac fight him. It was Mosley's last great fight, the Margarito thing was a farce. People say "oh man Mosley beat his ass blah blah blah..." Yes, but it was because the last thing on Marg's mind was the fight he knew he just destroyed his career and reputation right then and there. It gave Mosley insane motivation too, but give me Margarito/Mosley now and I'll still take Marg with a blind eye and broken achilles. People say Cotto is bum because they either think he's gay, they're mexican and can't handle the fact that the only time Cotto lost to a Mexican was due to cheating. They still live on this one win to this day to hate on him... Maniac is the best, he does it on purpose but saying sh*t like he lost to Clottey and Mosley does nothing to add credibility to your point. People use grades terribly especially on here. Berto/Ortiz/Guerrero those guys are B figthers. Cotto/Manny/Martinez are A fighters and Floyd is an ELITE fighter because IMO he beats them all with the exception of possibly Martinez. Haters, haters! You are right on all your post! He beat Cotto without a trainer, at a catchweight, off of the Margairto loss (still mentally affecting him I mean) and on steroids. This is why I wish Manny wasn't such a ***** and would just fight Cotto again, not saying he would win (@154 he would) but at a minimum would show how much an advantage Manny had in the first fight. And Cotto fought Mosley in 2007 and Floyd fought Mosley in 2010 and Manny in 2011 so it was 3 and 4 years. It doesn't really matter anyone saying Mosley was shot when Cotto fought him is a complete idiot and doesn't know sh*t about boxing, it's a lie. Mosley wasn't "PRIME" but he was as close to his prime as Floyd is now and really as Cotto had when he fought Floyd. One more thing, if Manny was so much better and confident in beating Cotto, AGAIN. Why is he the one calling out Cotto yet still making him drop in weight? I mean seriously, the fact that you guys still fall for this Manny weight crap is embarrassing. Floyd doesn't fight guys who he thinks can beat him (Manny and Martinez) Manny will fight him but he makes sure they get weakened enough so he does win, IDK which is worse. FMJr. fought a shopworn Mosley, Pac fought a passed prime and shopworn Mosely, Canelo fought a well passed prime-on retirement Mosley. Cotto is a HoF. Three division champ He won the Clottey fight, not only on the scorecards but mentally. After the clash of heads that left him with one eye he could have said "screw this Im going home", but continued the fight and won by a point. Mosley wasnt "way" past prime, by the time he faced Cotto his only losses where to Forrest and Winky. He was "way" past prime 3 years later when he fought Floyd. Caught Mayweather with a great punch but couldnt finish him in the second round. His loss against Plasterito he avenged, and his other two losses where two probable ATG's. In both fights he was competitive. Cotto is just one of those overall solid guys. A fighter tuned boxer who could switch stances to adjust and complicate a fight. His best weapon was his timing. Not an ATG right now, but definetely a hall of famer. Well said and I agree. I agree with the CW are bull****, but the fact remains Cotto lost almost every round and got the **** beat out of him. He was lucky to get decisions against Mosley and Clottey, got the crap beat out of him by Margarito and it looked like it was going to happen again in the 2nd fight before the doctor stopped it. Cotto is a good fighter but is overrated by many, he has fought tough opposition and he deserves credit for that but he's not anywhere close to being an ATG. Dude, get off the coolaid. Its hurting you! Plasterito cheated his way to a victory. Still, Cotto tagged that azz all night with some incredible bombs. Some of the most vicious hoods that Cotto has landed. I give Plasterito props for his Titanium mandible but that is it. People talk all the **** about Pac tearing on Plasterito's eye, but Cotto beat that **** up like a $2.00 whore! At the end of the 1st fight, Plasterito's eye was beading. The damage was done by Miguel....Mosley agravated it, Pac beat it and Cotto finish it on the 2nd fight. Plasterito was going to do what on the 2nd fight? LMAO!!!! You must be a troll on drugs. GTFO! Yeah, he as about to get KTFO...Plasterito was! Cotto was starting to get behind his punches and rocking the cheating whore! Cotto was landing some serious bombs on the plaster ***! Plasterito did not win a single round, got his azz taxed all night and CLEARLY beaten!

Losses: Margarito, Pacquiao, Mosley, Clottey, Mayweather Wins: Jennings, Mayorga, Foreman not bad, I've seen worse on FNF. He's a C+/Gate keeper level fighter. Definitely not a bum. Your lack of wisdom about boxing is mindblowing!

Dont people get bore of talking about the same thing over and over again. Some of his fans overate the ish out of Cotto to the extent that some of us feel embarras. Some idiots like to discredit him just for fun or just because they are clueless. If you have to argue about him not being a bum you are setting up yourself for frustration and for some dumb arguments. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android :lol1: Alas....

Dont people get bore of talking about the same thing over and over again. Some of his fans overate the ish out of Cotto to the extent that some of us feel embarras. Some idiots like to discredit him just for fun or just because they are clueless. If you have to argue about him not being a bum you are setting up yourself for frustration and for some dumb arguments. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Yuri "the gimp" Foreman /thread.

-Vacant belt king -Only non vacant belt win was against Yuri "the gimp" Foreman -Best win is a past prime Mosley Cotto is NOT a "great" theres a difference between great and good. He was a good fighter, nothing more nothing less. Who are Great fighters right now if Cotto isn't one? Only guy Worthy of that title IMO is Mayweather. And no, Manny isn't a great fighter IMO.

Losses: Margarito, Pacquiao, Mosley, Clottey, Mayweather Wins: Jennings, Mayorga, Foreman not bad, I've seen worse on FNF. He's a C+/Gate keeper level fighter. Definitely not a bum. If you think he lost against Shane, you got issues. Shane got out worked in that fight. Im curious to know what rounds you gave to Shane.

Who cares? The Austin Trout will be his second fight for a non vacant title, but look at his record and the opponents he has faced throughout his career. Maussa Ndou Bailey Torres Malignaggi Quintana Judah Mosley All of them became champs after facing Cotto. Then you add other titlists Bazan Corley Clottey Foreman Margarito Mayorga :lol1: @ the bolded parts, your reaching with those wins. Judah is a fucking bum who hadn't won a fight in 2 years when he faced Cotto. Mayorga? are you seriously putting that win in there?. Malifaggi won a title, who cares? he beat a Euro goat farmer and Bailey landed one lucky shot, both of those guys suck.

-Vacant belt king -Only non vacant belt win was against Yuri "the gimp" Foreman -Best win is a past prime Mosley Whoever calls him that is an idiot. Cotto is one of the few greats and is only a notch below Pacquiao and Mayweather. His record in Championship fights is amazing and so is resume where he's facen close to 20 world champions or former world champions. Cotto is NOT a "great" theres a difference between great and good. He was a good fighter, nothing more nothing less.

Why is this even a Debate? Cotto is beyond trying to prove himself as a fighter...now is basically the downside of his career, his PRIME has come and gone If Cotto haven't convinced you yet then he will never convince you! I do think next week we could see him talk about Retiring if he loses to Trout which I think is a STRONG POSSIBILITY even though I will be rooting for Cotto all the way...I would not be shocked if Trout makes Cotto look washed up, I think Trout is catching him at the RIGHT TIME, coming off of a tough fight with Mayweather and usually fighters for what ever reason after they lose to Mayweather it seems to go down hill after that for some strange reason Win, Lose or Draw next week, Cotto has proven himself YEARS AGO as a fighter!

He fought to survive for the second half of the fight but breaking a guys ear while surviving is no joke. I think in a rematch he would adjust and give a better fight, even if he ends up losing anyway. Making Floyd's nose bloody and busting Manny's ear doesn't impress me, to be honest. I don't pay all that much mind to injuries inflicted while fighting. It's a fight, after all. One good shot can draw blood, or even break something. Now, it's different when one guy lays such a beating on the other, through repeated blows, that he causes injury. That's what Pacquiao did to Miguel. Again, Mayweather-Cotto: competitive; Pacquiao-Cotto...not so much.

This thread is ridiculous. 1st of all, if you think Mosley beat Cotto you don't know how to score a fight. That was not a fight that could have gone either way, it was a clear Cotto win. And Mosley was not shot at that point...past his prime, certainly. Still a very solid win. The vacant belt argument is an absolute joke. This mythical "take the title from the champ" is meaningless. It's who you beat for the title. Quintana was a better opponent to beat for a title than half of the existing title holders but people have a hard on for that retarded mentality, it's sad. Not to mention, the Clottey fight was gonna be a unification till the IBF stripped him. Cotto was an elite fighter but it was just for a short amount of time unfortunately. Margarito beat the elite out of him and most of all took all of his confidence. He's already bounced back better than I thought he could but his time as a true elite was a short one...still a HOF.

I agree with the CW are bull****, but the fact remains Cotto lost almost every round and got the **** beat out of him. He was lucky to get decisions against Mosley and Clottey, got the crap beat out of him by Margarito and it looked like it was going to happen again in the 2nd fight before the doctor stopped it. Cotto is a good fighter but is overrated by many, he has fought tough opposition and he deserves credit for that but he's not anywhere close to being an ATG. You an idiot, plain and simple. He lost almost every round... yes, but he won nearly every minute of 1, 3 and 4 until the knockdowns after the second he was done. And as I said, it's obvious you've never even set foot in a ring your entire life because not having a trainer and the biggest factor in that fight was Cotto's mental state. If you lace up gloves you would know that but obviously you don't. As for getting "lucky" I hate when people like you say he was lucky, no he got the nod in two very close fights, the Clottey one being closer. Floyd lost to Oscar then using your logic and Castillo, but both of those are false because neither decisions were robberies like Williams/Lara. Dumbasses like you need to realize that when you STEP UP your competition your fights get more competitive it's just common f*cking knowledge man. Patriots vs Jets was a slaughter, put those same Pats in there with the 49'rs and/or Ravens and you have a different story. And the Clottey fight, just STFU already Cotto had one eye... how would you fare against a cut requiring 20 stitches and blood dripping in your eye. It's obvious you've never been in the ring, and while it doesn't mean you are ignorant to boxing, it certainly means there are things you just don't understand. These thing all take affect into what happens in the ring against any given opponent.

Who cares? The Austin Trout will be his second fight for a non vacant title, but look at his record and the opponents he has faced throughout his career. Maussa Ndou Bailey Torres Malignaggi Quintana Judah Mosley All of them became champs after facing Cotto. Then you add other titlists Bazan Corley Clottey Foreman Margarito Mayorga trout has a meaningless title. that isnt a legit world title. doesnt mayweather own the legit wba super welterweight title? none of them make me think cotto is a hall of famer. hall of fame fighters are guys like mayweather, pacquiao, morales barrera etc, cotto isnt on that kind of level imo.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/2675-boxing-ratings-ring-magazine.html Top 10 Jr Welterweights 01/18/2006 Champ: Ricky Hatton Floyd Mayweather Miguel Cotto Kostya Tszyu Jose Luis Castillo Junior Witter Carlos Maussa Arturo Gatti Vivian Harris DeMarcus Corley Lovemore Ndou Welterweight Champ Carlos Baldomir Antonio Margarito Zab Judah Cory Spink Shane Mosley Luis Collazo Thomas Damgaard Kermit Cintron Jose Antonio Rivera Oktay Urkal David Estrada Top 10 Jr Welterweights 07/31/2006 Champ: Ricky Hatton Miguel Cotto Jose Luis Castillo Junior Witter Carlos Maussa Vivian Harris DeMarcus Corley Lovemore Ndou Juan Lazcano Souleymane M'Baye Demetrius Hopkins Welterweight Champ: Carlos Baldomir Floyd Mayweather Antonio Margarito Zab Judah Ricky Hatton Luis Collazo Kermit Cintron Okray Urkal Arturo Gatti Sharmba Mitchell Paul Williams

I still chuckle when ppl bring up the vacant belt excuse as some sort of remedy downgrading loophole.He's won his titles and his defended them well.I GUARANTEE most of these posters haven't even seen Cotto's early days and probably after his first loss.