Haye would have made more money fighting Fury than being on reality tv. If he felt he could ko Fury so easily, it would have made sense to take the fight as it would have increased the public's appetite for a fight against Vitali. It would have given Haye an opportunity to demonstrate his skills which people now think are overrated because of the Wlad fight. The other things is, reality tv is watched mostly by women and teenage girls. How is this going to increase interest in a heavyweight boxing match? If it was a strategic move, it was a wierd one.
Whether Haye was after money or trying to increase interest in a fight with Vitali, both would have been better served by fighting Fury than going into the outback.
I don't think you grasp how lucrative being on a prime time reality show is for Haye. He has gathered a new fanbase and will lead to endorsement deals and if he chooses to carry on fighting that means a bigger payper view audience. Haye wants to get in to the entertainment buinesss, thus a show like this helps him get exposure to the everyday public,most whom don't care or watch boxing. People don't go on these shows for fun, it's all to do with exposure to lead on to better things.
Fury doesnt bring big money, thats the fact of the matter, Haye has nothing to gain. Haye just wants big money or a title shot and is waiting for Vitali, which then will lead on to Wlad. Fighting Fury is a waste of time, he's a bum.
Because Haye has been trying to fight Vitali for over a year. He even flattened Chisora to get the Vitali fight but that made Vitali run even further away unfortunately.
This may very well be, but it doesn't change the fact that Fury has been calling out Price and Haye. If you search his twitter account I'm sure this will be substantiated.
You really are naive, aren't you?
Haye would have made more money fighting Fury than being on reality tv. If he felt he could ko Fury so easily, it would have made sense to take the fight as it would have increased the public's appetite for a fight against Vitali. It would have given Haye an opportunity to demonstrate his skills which people now think are overrated because of the Wlad fight. The other things is, reality tv is watched mostly by women and teenage girls. How is this going to increase interest in a heavyweight boxing match? If it was a strategic move, it was a wierd one.
Whether Haye was after money or trying to increase interest in a fight with Vitali, both would have been better served by fighting Fury than going into the outback.
Chisora was 14-0-0 and probably a top 10 heavyweight according to some organisations when Fury beat him.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by saying Haye beat Chisora more impressively than Vitali did. Didn't Price beat Audley more impressively than Haye did? Also, Haye beat Barret quicker than Wlad did, but Wlad then beat Haye.
The promise was not made by Vitali himself and was made too flippantly to be considered a promise (that is, if you're refer to the comment before the press conference brawl).
Haye may have been a champion but if you lose you plummet down the rankings list. Haye lost 2 fights ago. When Wlad 1st lost a world title he had to wait 8 fights to get another (world )title shot.
The only valid reason you give for the fight is because people want to see it. But if Perez, Wilder, and Price perform well in their next outings, people may want to see one of them fight Vitali instead.
Vitali calling Haye saying he will KO Haye and it's his goal to beat Haye, is not a valid reason?
Haye losing to Wlad isn't a reason for the Vitali-Haye fight not to happen, Vitali didn't beat Haye.
You're are right maybe people will want to see Price etc in the future, but they may not and they don't now. Pretty pointless argument there.
This fight has the most interest, most money to be made, is the most personal and in many people's eyes the most competitive fight in the division. There's no good argument for Vitali not to take this fight if he continues his career.
If Fury can bring the value, as in a big payday for Haye, then Mr Haymaker will be in the ring in 20 secs and ready to KO the bum and walk away with the pot of gold
Haye doesnt fight for chump change, he would have never considered fighting Chisora if it werent for that brawl which then led to the big money fight.
Chisora was never on Hayes radar until that brawl.
Same with Audley, big money was offered.
Fury sadly doesnt bring that kind of ££££ and thats all Haye cares about.
Haye wud dispose of the bum within 3 rounds i can guarantee that
Haye would have made more money fighting Fury than being on reality tv. If he felt he could ko Fury so easily, it would have made sense to take the fight as it would have increased the public's appetite for a fight against Vitali. It would have given Haye an opportunity to demonstrate his skills which people now think are overrated because of the Wlad fight. The other things is, reality tv is watched mostly by women and teenage girls. How is this going to increase interest in a heavyweight boxing match? If it was a strategic move, it was a wierd one.
Whether Haye was after money or trying to increase interest in a fight with Vitali, both would have been better served by fighting Fury than going into the outback.
Haye's a former champion that most rate as the 3rd best Heavyweight in the division. The number 2 has been running his mouth about knocking Haye out. He was promised a fight with the number 2 if he beat Chisora, he did so in more impressive fashion than the number 2. This is the fight most people want to see above all others in the division.
Tyson Fury hasn't beaten a top 10 fighter. Refuses to fight his domestic rival, isn't a big draw and is tied into a TV contract for money that is peanuts compared to what the big names make.
Tell me how those situations are anywhere near the same.
Chisora was 14-0-0 and probably a top 10 heavyweight according to some organisations when Fury beat him.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by saying Haye beat Chisora more impressively than Vitali did. Didn't Price beat Audley more impressively than Haye did? Also, Haye beat Barret quicker than Wlad did, but Wlad then beat Haye.
The promise was not made by Vitali himself and was made too flippantly to be considered a promise (that is, if you're refer to the comment before the press conference brawl).
Haye may have been a champion but if you lose you plummet down the rankings list. Haye lost 2 fights ago. When Wlad 1st lost a world title he had to wait 8 fights to get another (world )title shot.
The only valid reason you give for the fight is because people want to see it. But if Perez, Wilder, and Price perform well in their next outings, people may want to see one of them fight Vitali instead.
Haye has already faced two domestic contenders the past few years and people complained endlessly about it. Why bother with Fury and Price? Price will probably be a good heavyweight challenger, but Fury was dropped by a feather-fisted no-name a few fights back. Haye would destroy Tyson just like he did Chisora.
Also, Fury won't take this fight. His people are talking about moving him strait from Johnson (if he wins) to a Klitschko fight. They know damn well his limitations are looking for the best possible paydays versus outcomes.
If Fury challenges for the title and loses, he could go strait into another big payday against Price.
If Fury can bring the value, as in a big payday for Haye, then Mr Haymaker will be in the ring in 20 secs and ready to KO the bum and walk away with the pot of gold
Abso-bloody-exactly.
Haye will only fight for a title or huge money, ideally both. He won't take on a domestic fight unless it's too good to turn down.
The difference is you're not a well-known heavyweight contender.
Fury has as much reason to expect a fight from Haye than Haye does from Vitali. After all, Haye lost only 2 fights ago by an 8 round margin. In the meantime he has won 1 fight against a guy who already had 3 losses on resume. That does not boost you back into title contention.
Fury, on the other hand, is 19-0. He is ranked above Haye in WBC rankings. A win over Fury would have done a lot to boost Haye into title contention. In fact, if I understand correctly, if Haye would have accepted Fury's offer and beaten him, he would have gone on to fight in a final eliminator, the winner of which is a madatory for Wladimir.
Haye's a former champion that most rate as the 3rd best Heavyweight in the division. The number 2 has been running his mouth about knocking Haye out. He was promised a fight with the number 2 if he beat Chisora, he did so in more impressive fashion than the number 2. This is the fight most people want to see above all others in the division.
Tyson Fury hasn't beaten a top 10 fighter. Refuses to fight his domestic rival, isn't a big draw and is tied into a TV contract for money that is peanuts compared to what the big names make.
Tell me how those situations are anywhere near the same.
The difference is you're not a well-known heavyweight contender.
Fury has as much reason to expect a fight from Haye than Haye does from Vitali. After all, Haye lost only 2 fights ago by an 8 round margin. In the meantime he has won 1 fight against a guy who already had 3 losses on resume. That does not boost you back into title contention.
Fury, on the other hand, is 19-0. He is ranked above Haye in WBC rankings. A win over Fury would have done a lot to boost Haye into title contention. In fact, if I understand correctly, if Haye would have accepted Fury's offer and beaten him, he would have gone on to fight in a final eliminator, the winner of which is a madatory for Wladimir.
If Fury can bring the value, as in a big payday for Haye, then Mr Haymaker will be in the ring in 20 secs and ready to KO the bum and walk away with the pot of gold
Haye doesnt fight for chump change, he would have never considered fighting Chisora if it werent for that brawl which then led to the big money fight.
Chisora was never on Hayes radar until that brawl.
Same with Audley, big money was offered.
Fury sadly doesnt bring that kind of ££££ and thats all Haye cares about.
Haye wud dispose of the bum within 3 rounds i can guarantee that
Price isn't refusing to fight Fury, nor is Haye (although I doubt Haye would bother anyway).
I can call out David Price right now. **** it, I might as well call out Wlad while I'm at it. It doesn't mean I'd answer the phone.
The difference is you're not a well-known heavyweight contender.
Fury has as much reason to expect a fight from Haye than Haye does from Vitali. After all, Haye lost only 2 fights ago by an 8 round margin. In the meantime he has won 1 fight against a guy who already had 3 losses on resume. That does not boost you back into title contention.
Fury, on the other hand, is 19-0. He is ranked above Haye in WBC rankings. A win over Fury would have done a lot to boost Haye into title contention. In fact, if I understand correctly, if Haye would have accepted Fury's offer and beaten him, he would have gone on to fight in a final eliminator, the winner of which is a madatory for Wladimir.
Price isn't refusing to fight Fury, nor is Haye (although I doubt Haye would bother anyway).
I can call out David Price right now. **** it, I might as well call out Wlad while I'm at it. It doesn't mean I'd answer the phone.
what? fury gave up his titles so he didnt have to fight price.
This may very well be, but it doesn't change the fact that Fury has been calling out Price and Haye. If you search his twitter account I'm sure this will be substantiated.
I'm not maligning Price for not taking the fight. He has only had 14 fights and is, understandably, stepping up slowly. Whether Fury called out Price when it was infeasible for Price to fight, I don't know. He has, however, been calling out Haye for a while. In fact, prior to the Haye-Chisora fight, Fury stated he wanted to fight the winner. Haye chose to go on reality television instead.
People need to get over the Harrison fight. Fact is that Haye was offered a truckload of money (I've seen estimates at £10m - around $14m) for a fight against one of British boxing's few household names, which he could win in his sleep. He wouldn't have made half that against an Adamek, Arreola or Povetkin.
If you can honestly say you wouldn't have taken that fight, if you were in Haye's shoes, you either have incredible sporting integrity or you're ****ing delusional.
Fury has been calling out Price ever since the Harrison fight. Price has only had 14 fights, so I can't blame him for not fighting Fury, but Fury has been calling out Price and Haye a lot.
what? fury gave up his titles so he didnt have to fight price.
Fury wasnt even mentioning Hayes name until recently and Haye has hanged up his gloves unless Vital or Wlad want a fight. The Chisora fight made sense because it was personal and a big payday, if Fury could offer Haye a payday, then it would make sense, at the mo Fury is just a bum.
Fury would never take the Haye fight just like he doesnt want to take the Price fight, he just blabbers on talking ****e and when Price says lets fight, he makes excuses.
and Audley Harrison was?
Haye relies on people saying he's above this fighter and that fighter because then he never actually has to fight them.
Haye constantly rubbished the Harrison fight, even in the build up. He said it would be a mismatch and it would end when he felt like it.
That fight was made by the British media and then British public. People may deny it now, but they got caught up in the hype and that's what made the fight.
If Fury steps to the plate he will get completely flattened, that's why he wont. He'll keep talking about it while going in other directions.
Mainly because Fury isn't close to that level.
Fury has not been on Haye's level to warrant Haye fighting him.
and Audley Harrison was?
Haye relies on people saying he's above this fighter and that fighter because then he never actually has to fight them.
Fury has not been on Haye's level to warrant Haye fighting him. This fight could happen in the future though and I would expect Fury to be knocked out cold.
Fury has been calling out Price ever since the Harrison fight. Price has only had 14 fights, so I can't blame him for not fighting Fury, but Fury has been calling out Price and Haye a lot.
That doesn't answer the question.
Fury's ducked Price twice already so he can run his mouth all he wants.