If PACQUIAO clearly beats Marquez on Dec. 8, Roach shouldn't get credit!

If Marquez schools Pac again. Expect Pac vs Marquez 5th @ 150. at 150? that would benefit Marquez more since he weighed 151 pounds on fight night lean in the third fight.

If Marquez schools Pac again. Expect Pac vs Marquez 5th @ 150.

Would lol if JMM sparked Pac early. The Pacturds fury of excuses of Pac not being focused and motivated would be something to behold. :fing02:....

Would lol if Pac sparked JMM early and Roach won trainer of the year. The Flomo fury would be something to behold. If Roach wins trainer of the year for finally beating a guy it took 4 fights to convincingly beat then there is a problem.

Would lol if Pac sparked JMM early and Roach won trainer of the year. The Flomo fury would be something to behold. :pat: :rofl:

Would lol if Pac sparked JMM early and Roach won trainer of the year. The Flomo fury would be something to behold.

So he gets not credit if he wons but gets sh1tted on if he loses Makes sense yup that is about it ... lolz

This fight is a joke and is a even bigger joke at 147. http://i49.tinypic.com/bdnp07.gif This fight will be for the "Champion of The Decade" belt. no it's a trophy

This fight is a joke and is a even bigger joke at 147. http://i49.tinypic.com/bdnp07.gif This fight will be for the "Champion of The Decade" belt.

I'll think of an excuse to discredit the win......

If Pacquiao beat Marquez now is because... power of will 40% speed 20% punching power 15% iron chin 15% stamina 15% skills 4% Roach 1% 110%? :rofl: i think I'll take Roach over you.

If Pacquiao beat Marquez now is because... power of will 40% speed 20% punching power 15% iron chin 15% stamina 15% skills 4% Roach 1%

not sure about having a big ego, but i think he is a bit overrated. he looks good because he has a special fighter in Pacquiao. almost every trainer has pointed this out, even Roach credits Pacquiao for making him famous, so at least Roach knows it. But Roach has never taken a fighter from nothing to something the way Emmanuel Steward has, Joe Goossen, Robert Garcia, and a couple of others have. Pacquiao was already a champion who defeated the lineal Flyweight champion in Thailand without Roach in his corner. I wonder why Pacman got rid of his old American trainer who helped guide him to that title and basically was with him from when he was a teen till he left to America. I forgot that guys name but his first name was Rick I believe.

Pac - Marquez 3 late rounds.... "Manny you got to knock this guy out" Freddie Roach Thats was the strategy. lol. He had no idea what Jmm was doing. exactly, Roach used to be a good trainer before he got a huge ego and fame.

If Pacquiao beats Marquez this time around clearly, Freddie Roach doesn't get any credit and he doesn't deserve it, All the credit should go to Manny, Buboy and Alex Ariza, Freddie already had his chances and he came up with nothing, he was more focused on being filmed the 24/7 and talking ****y trash talk than strategy. Sorry for my harsh criticism of Roach but the guy is overrated, all his fighters have lost or looked like crap, he basically got famous of Manny Pacquiao, and Manny is basically a self taught fighter. Floyd Sr. even said Pacman basically trains himself and Roach just holds mitts, because Pac has no defense. Roach only claim is teaching Pacman to throw a right hook hahaah wtf? Roach has never taught any fighter to set traps or use slick counters or defensive moves. The same 1 2 3 combo and roll out is all Freddie knows. Like I said if Pacman actually beats Marquez which I doubt highly because he hasn't been able to beat him clearly in the last 3 times, he and buboy and ariza deserve the credit not Roach. Ariza gets Pac in shape, and Buboy is basically the guy who is helping with the gameplan this time around while Roach just holds the mitts with the 1 2 3 roll under routine. LOL, relying on quotes from FLoyd Sr for proof? I guess Pac must be on A-side meth then eh? If Floyd Sr says it must be true!

Pac - Marquez 3 late rounds.... "Manny you got to knock this guy out" Freddie Roach Thats was the strategy. lol. He had no idea what Jmm was doing. LOL Man Yall are some fools. Roach didnt know what JMM was doing. Man I wish I could say these things to Roach's face. That little retard deserves it.

So he gets not credit if he wons but gets sh1tted on if he loses Makes sense

If Pacquiao wins clearly he still won't get much credit because people will put it down to JMM's age.

Sure lol..

+1 What kind of a joke trainer has fighters who lose occasionally.