2004 @ 126
The rawest version of Manny that JMM faced, but a Manny that was also coming off what still stands as arguably the greatest victory of his career, his destruction of Marco Antonio Barrera. JMM fights back from a disastrous first round to win the 'rest' of the fight on two of the scorecards, winning it very comprehensively on one of them.
2008 @ 130
This version of Pacquiao had beaten Barrera and Morales twice, and was about to go on the run that made him a global superstar. An extremely close fight with several toss up rounds. The knockdown costs JMM the fight.
2011 @ 147
Pacquiao was coming off an unimpressive but nevertheless comprehensive victory over a shot Shane Mosley. Marquez is for the first time in the series fighting at the weight for only the second time and looked terrible on that first outing. He dominates the early and middle rounds on most scorecards, arguably putting more daylight between the two fighters than either had managed to date in the trilogy. Still loses the fight on two scorecards.
LMAO. Pac landed more punches against Marquez. An average of 3-5 jabs/power punches every round and since we know Pac is a heavy punchier therefor did more damage on Marquez.
Landing clean punches is what matters, and Marquez did that.
Marquez landed 90% of the significant punches in the fight, controlled the tempo and in general served up a boxing lesson. Pac dropped his head at the final bell knowing what the deal was, he was well beaten.
2004 was his best performance, he won 9-10 rounds.
However, 2011 was the clearest win. I had it 117-111 Marquez in a fight he won quite easily.
LMAO. Pac landed more punches against Marquez. An average of 3-5 jabs/power punches every round and since we know Pac is a heavy punchier therefor did more damage on Marquez.
Take out the first round of the first fight and it almost looks like a mismatch.
That's where I cast my vote.
I scored the second fight for Manny, third conclusively for JMM.
Pac at 126. That version of pac was an absolute monster in the ring. He had all my respect at that stage in his career. JMM fought his ass off in that fight.
first fight...marquez got dropped 3 times in the first round, got his nose busted and was bleeding in the first round and he still managed to put on a great performance.
Jmm is always judged on how he does against Pac solely. JMM can get away with fighting bums, unlike Pac, yet who Pac fights is scrutinized more, even though he fights better fighters.
Well Pac is going to get more scrutiny based simply on the number of people who believe him to be one of the greatest of all time. With great standing comes great scrutiny...
However, 2011 was the clearest win. I had it 117-111 Marquez in a fight he won quite easily.
Out of interest, which of the last 4 rounds did you give to Marquez?
Jmm is always judged on how he does against Pac solely. JMM can get away with fighting bums, unlike Pac, yet who Pac fights is scrutinized more, even though he fights better fighters.
For me it's the second fight. His comeback in the first was incredible, but that was the most limited version of Pacquiao (in boxing terms) that he faced.
Similarly, the Manny he faced in the third fight was a shadow of the guy that had been there for the previous three years. And without the boundless energy, Manny just didn't really have a way of closing the distance and throwing without over-extending himself. For me that's the fight that Marquez clearly won.
2008 was the closest of the three fights and the 'prime' version of Pacquiao. At the very least, JMM took 5 rounds in that fight, something no one had done against Manny since Morales in 2005, and no one would do again until JMM himself in 2011. Smack bang in the middle of that incredible six year run for Manny Pacquiao, Marquez met him and beat him in a lot of people's eyes.