I just heard a radio show where the host said Marquez is higher on his p4p list than Pacquiao at this stage because he felt Marquez beat Pacquiao twice.
p4p is quite a subjective rating system so would you place him higher or lower than Pacquiao?
I can understand about the Marquez fans but these idiots (floydiots) who thought Marquez won all the 3 fights against Pacquiao also thought Bradley won against Pacquiao which its not even close no matter how you watch it upside down. Their minds are deluded as their coward hero.
So some clowns want to think JMM is higher than Pac? Ok, JMM is higher than Pac, and higher than Floyd.
JMM is no1 as hes beat Pac 3 times, nobody can boast that. Castillo beat Floyd and JMM is better than Castillo by some way.
So where does that leave Floyd? Somewhere behind Ward, Donaire and Sergio i would say.
lol at this
did you even watch both fights? barrera tried and arguably could have won against marquez. against pacquiao, all he was worried about was to look better than the first time. marquez barrera was competitive but marco was never competitive vs manny
I had Barrera winning more rounds against Marquez than he did against Pacquiao in that second fight.
But like i said it's subjective.. one of the judges thought differently.
Both Pacquiao and Marquez fought Barrera in 2007.
The judge who scored it the closest in the Pacquiao fight had it at 115-112 to Pacquiao.
While the closest score in the Marquez fight was 116-111 to Marquez.
lol at this
did you even watch both fights? barrera tried and arguably could have won against marquez. against pacquiao, all he was worried about was to look better than the first time. marquez barrera was competitive but marco was never competitive vs manny
Pacquiao KO'd Barrera and Morales, is Diaz and Casamayor better than the two i mentioned??
Both Pacquiao and Marquez fought Barrera in 2007.
The judge who scored it the closest in the Pacquiao fight had it at 115-112 to Pacquiao.
While the closest score in the Marquez fight was 116-111 to Marquez.
I thought Pacquiao won a close one the last time they fought. The two fights they had before that I thought were draws. Pacquiao seems to do better overall against other fighters than Marquez. Marquez is just trouble for Pacquiao. For instance I don't think Juan Diaz or Casamayor would have lasted more than two or three rounds with Pacquiao and Marquez would not have been able to beat Oscar, Cotto, Hatton, and Clottey as easily as Pacquiao did. So I have Pacquiao rated higher than Marquez pfp. and expect him to win their upcoming fight. I am a big fan of both fighters.
Marquez' recent form
Fedchenko - Awful fight to watch and did nothing for JMM
Pacquiao - Dull affair
Katsidis - Good fight to watch but Marquez was on the floor and didnt look great
Diaz 2 - Not as good as the first but a convincing points win
Casamayor - Close fight but Casa was past it
Diaz 1 - Diaz was coming off a loss to Nate campbell and hurt Marquez early but got worn down
Juarez - Cuts and Juarez general lack of boxing ability made this one pretty dull
Barrera - Marco was at the end of his career in this one clearly past his best but still outlanded Marquez and put him down aswel. Lederman had Barrera winning and so did I. Marquez lucky to get a win here.
Pacs recent form
Bradley - Pac looked past it. Cant fight at pace and got outboxed late on
JMM - Both guys looked slosw and unable to pull the trigger
Mosley - Pac begining to look in decline and Mosley so far past it it that it meant nothing
Margarito - Catchweight and Marg coming off savage beating from Shane made it through 12 but wasnt really competative
Clottey - Boring 12 rounder. Clottey just put his hands up and Pac had no clue how to get past his guard
Cotto - Pac was at his best here but Cotto was at a catchweight and hadnt long ben destroyed by Marg at the full 147 lb limit
Hatton - Great win by Manny, took him 2 rounds to do something it took Floytd 10 to do. Hatton hasnt fought since and looked on the slide against Lazcano didnt expect it to be so quick though.
Based on that theres not much between them but I lean towards Pac p4p even though head to head I lean towards Marquez
JMM's legacy = The Man Who Almost Beat Pacquiao Thrice
:dance:
Just kidding, his resume is definitely better than Pac:
Fedchenko
Katsidis
Diaz
Casamayor
Juarez
Barrera
ATG! :biggthump
Will you rank Buster Douglas higher than Tyson, will you rank Maxim higher than Robinson, will you rank Barkley higher than Hearns, and so on and so forth... P4P rankings is based on who you fight and who you win on, skills and abilities are a good gauge in the rankings, but a brave heart impresses more than enough critics... You may have the skills but if you are not fighting stiffer competitions then your skills doesn't count...
No, he's not.
Just because he might've beat Pac doesn't mean he deserves to be higher.
Marquez is great and I like him, but he's went life and death with lower tier fighters than Pac. You should take this into account also.
A lot of Pac haters seem to forget this phrase.
No, JMM is not higher than Pac on my list.
youre not serious are you? pacquiao fought bigger names but that doesnt always equal better fighters, especially under the circumstances he fought some of them.
for example marquez knocking out either diaz or casamyor was a better win in my book than hatton, margarito, clottey, mosley or dlh were for pacquiao just to name a few.
Pacquiao KO'd Barrera and Morales, is Diaz and Casamayor better than the two i mentioned??
looking poor against mosley? i wonder what floyd was "looking" like when he was getting tagged by ortiz and cotto.
and bradley was the #1 at 140, and Pac ruined him. he's getting fights against guys coming off losses now lmao
can't wait till the coward retires, all of you post 2009 boxing fans can leave forever.
Pacquiao ruined Bradley?Ortiz tagging Mayweather?
No point in arguing with this dip****!
Anyone can do what they want with p4p lists because they are opinion based and theres no official list. Its all someones take on it. People have Bradley below Pac despite beating him so you can make it up as you go along.
Out of these two whos better? IMO its Marquez because I think he won the 1st 3 fights but if I had to rank them Id place Pac higher cuz he officially won and has the better wins outside of their rivalry.
Hope we get closure in December insteda of another close 12 rounder
Ward yes, Martinez above Floyd? Nope. You tards are really hyping up that Chavez Jr win, when Jr was a bum to begin with. And Floyd's last good win? You'd have to go back in time for that, way back. Beating a Pac leftover and sucker punching a "young lion" that got exposed and quit again, yep not worthy of #1 p4p sorry kiddo have fun. :wave:
you kids will do anything to defend the coward
So a loss to Bradley,getting outboxed by Marquez and looking poor against Mosley is better than Mayweathers last 3 fights
Try again kid
In my personal P4P list Marquez is.
P4P list just (to me anyway) isn't who you've fought or beat. It's your skill level, style, heart, etc.
IMO Marquez is a better boxer & has a better skill set than Pac.
I can see why others would have Pac above him though.
He has fight twice in the last 14 months,which is not too inactive
Manny's last good win was Cotto was 3 years ago at a catchweight
Ward and Martinez,now a strong argument can be made for them being higher than Floyd,not a hope with Pacquiao!!!
Pacquiao has beaten bigger names but no doubt Marquez is the better boxer!
Right now I would think Floyd,Sergio and Ward are the top 3 and the winner next month will take 4th place
Who has Marquez fought to rank him higher than Pacquiao?
youre not serious are you? pacquiao fought bigger names but that doesnt always equal better fighters, especially under the circumstances he fought some of them.
for example marquez knocking out either diaz or casamyor was a better win in my book than hatton, margarito, clottey, mosley or dlh were for pacquiao just to name a few.