Juan Manuel Marquez physique???

The suspicion surrounding Marquez is primarily to do with the people in his camp, not his physical condition.

This thread is not in defense of JMM or specifically directed towards JUST him and his physique as of late. Has no one ever trained on this forum? Has no one ever been an athlete or ever met or had anyone in their family with great bodies? I have one uncle who is a health nut and at 48 is ripped and a natural body builder. He is in no way big, pumped, or takes protein shakes. He just uses bodyweight as well as weights but always eats good as well as his wife who also works out with him. My point is he is 48 with a shredded body and all he does is workout hard and eat extremely well. Why is JMM being accused of PEDs if he has a tremendous physique at his current age? I'm not saying he's not doing anything and I'm not saying he is, all I'm saying is that for a bunch of posters automatically insinuating things is ridiculous. It leads me to believe most of you guys are in absolutely terrible shape and or have never met a person who works out all the time regardless of age. Much less a dedicated athlete. Now again, this is not in defense of Marquez but if you guys have never seen a ripped lean person past 30years old you guys are either fat or sheltered.I agree with you. There are lots of guys like your uncle. It's just a matter of diet, exercise and self discipline. No steriods are required. Bradley is more muscular than Marquez. Some fighters never get that ripped because they never take off those last few pounds. They like to eat to much. Other fighters just may not have the type of body that gets ripped or they need more body fat to stay healthy.Every fighter is different. If Marquez is more muscular and ripped than ever it does not mean he is on steriods. He could be lifting heavier weights and eating fewer calories. He could be using steriods but so could every other boxer on the planet including Mayweather who is never tested between fights. Donaire is the only fighter I know of who is being tested year round. I like the idea of innocent until proven quilty but many on here are a little ped crazy. If a fighter looks to good or performs better than he used to then many say he must be on something illegal. Look at Bradley between fights. He is almost fat. Then when he goes into training he turns into a ripped fighter with diet and hard training.

Exactly in their eyes Manny shouldn't even be suspected but all the sudden Juan is prime suspect.How can ya'll even talk to people like this? If Manny doesn't ask for random blood and urine testing then oh well stop making excuses. Its a Manny fight there will be no testing so all is fair in love and war .

This thread is not in defense of JMM or specifically directed towards JUST him and his physique as of late. Has no one ever trained on this forum? Has no one ever been an athlete or ever met or had anyone in their family with great bodies? I have one uncle who is a health nut and at 48 is ripped and a natural body builder. He is in no way big, pumped, or takes protein shakes. He just uses bodyweight as well as weights but always eats good as well as his wife who also works out with him. My point is he is 48 with a shredded body and all he does is workout hard and eat extremely well. Why is JMM being accused of PEDs if he has a tremendous physique at his current age? I'm not saying he's not doing anything and I'm not saying he is, all I'm saying is that for a bunch of posters automatically insinuating things is ridiculous. It leads me to believe most of you guys are in absolutely terrible shape and or have never met a person who works out all the time regardless of age. Much less a dedicated athlete. Now again, this is not in defense of Marquez but if you guys have never seen a ripped lean person past 30years old you guys are either fat or sheltered. The only thing I notice about JMM is he's very top heavy.

He just changed his training system, it's not like he gained 40pounds in couple of years, that would be suspicious. I have gone from lightweight (17years of age) to cruiserweight(currently fat heavyweight) in about ten years or less and all natural. Only supplements recovery drinks after training. I bet most people who know me think i'm on steroids. The WORST thing about cheating dopers, is that they ruin the image of the natural and honest and hard working ones..with good genes, good training system you can go pretty far. Not guilty until proven otherwise.

Because he looked like crap at 142, in 2009. Then he hired Heredia (I guess everybody knows his past by now) and came in ripped at 146 in 2011. And he did that at 38, after decades of training. I'm not accusing him, but it's more suspicious than Manny IMO. more suspicious than Manny moving up 5 weightclasses knocking men out? really? JMM looks like sh it in fights where he fights nobodies because he isnt motivated pac has looked like shi t in the past two years so if he comes out looking great than he must be suspect too right?

WOW simply WOW! So Manny can move up 5 weight classes and knock out men that outweigh him by 10-15 lbs and keep his speed and somehow get stronger and never test using blood or hair samples and God forbid anyone accuse him of anything because there is no proof but JMM gains muscle which is easy to do especially when you are a professional athlete and he is guilty of using PEDS? really? wow pactur ds out in full affect today

It's the combination of his physique and the fact that his conditioning coach got popped for dealing steroids. But I agree his physique alone is not enough to suspect JMM of taking roids. He's not much different from the last Pac fight.

Marquez has a regular physique for a proper athlete now, that's it. He always used to be a little heavy, now he'll be doing things better in terms of both training and nutrition. He weights 140-something lbs and in turn doesn't have a whole lot of muscle to maintain, it's not hard to do that into your 40's. He's not juicing IMO, he's doing like an athlete. There's no way of knowing for sure. The way I see it, the benefits of juicing are obvious, the rewards are huge, and chances of getting caught are slim. It's not about good guys and bad guys, it's about the conditions that are in place. And the conditions in boxing are definitely right for doping.

Marquez has a regular physique for a proper athlete now, that's it. He always used to be a little heavy, now he'll be doing things better in terms of both training and nutrition. He weights 140-something lbs and in turn doesn't have a whole lot of muscle to maintain, it's not hard to do that into your 40's. He's not juicing IMO, he's simply doing like an athlete.

funny you mention donaire when he is working with conte but at least the 24/7/365 testing makes it more difficult than regular to cheat That's obviously a big part of why he's doing it. If you're working with Conte you have to be seen to be squeaky clean. But yeah the regular commission testing is almost completely useless. And even if it wasn't, guys can still dope all they want once they're 'out of competition'. Conte always talks about the sprinter Tim Montgomery who put on 28lbs of lean muscle in eight weeks using roids. Marquez could have used stuff for months, cycled off it, and still came in clean under any type of testing he's likely to get in boxing. And even if he didn't, how much money is going to cost Arum if he lets the story get out?

Could easily be proven with year round testing like Donaire's doing. Probably too late now alright. No one in boxing is interested in people failing drug tests, it costs money.funny you mention donaire when he is working with conte but at least the 24/7/365 testing makes it more difficult than regular to cheat

Wasn't Marquez involved with the guy who snitched on Conte to the FBI? Also Roids are easily available in Mexico ... Whether he is using that can't be proven only speculated... Could easily be proven with year round testing like Donaire's doing. Probably too late now alright. No one in boxing is interested in people failing drug tests, it costs money.

Wasn't Marquez involved with the guy who snitched on Conte to the FBI? Also Roids are easily available in Mexico ... Whether he is using that can't be proven only speculated...

If you actually read you might have seen that it wasn't in defense of Marquez specifically but more towards the fact that posters seem to believe that once you're past 30 you automatically decline dramatically and cannot get in shape. You should actually read then you would realize your end thread answer is actually useless Thats not it at all. Doesnt matter what age you are, 15, 26, 44, 99. If you are training with a guy who was busted for beating OST you are suspect. Thats why. None of this older than 30 fluff. HUGE JMM fan but I call it like I see it.

Because he looked like crap at 142, in 2009. Then he hired Heredia (I guess everybody knows his past by now) and came in ripped at 146 in 2011. And he did that at 38, after decades of training. I'm not accusing him, but it's more suspicious than Manny IMO.there has been advances to transform the body than the old school throwing rocks Nacho had him doing. And if jmm flys up the weights while destroying bigger guys than ill say hes more suspiciois but nope hes not.

What you say is true, but I think people are being suspicious because marquez was never really ripped/muscular in his entire career and now all of a sudden in his late 30's he looks like adonis. BEcause he has to gain weight. Why would he gain fat instead of muscle?

Don't see the big deal. He had just finished doing intense workout. I could look ripped right after a workout, then I chill and use my computer and look like a skinny-fat blob sitting down.

Definitely, my point being Marquez could* be using and could not be using. But give him the benefit of the doubt unless its a failed test or there's concrete evidence that he did. That's my point. "I’ve created 20 different drugs that are still undetectable for the doping testers." - Angel Heredia http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroid-testosterone-information/172626-performance-enhancing-drugs-professional-sports-long-interview.html :hail:

Because he looked like crap at 142, in 2009. Then he hired Heredia (I guess everybody knows his past by now) and came in ripped at 146 in 2011. And he did that at 38, after decades of training. I'm not accusing him, but it's more suspicious than Manny IMO.