Winky dominating Trinidad

have any of you seen Winky vs Harry Simon? Harry Simon was a very good fighter. He got convicted for a car accident that killed somebody.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145614 Can't find the fight video, but that's all I could find.thanks. it seems the only way to find out about this fight is from my old Ring magazines.

He wasn't competitive against Williams' style. Yeah he was past his prime but a volume puncher like PWil would be a nightmare for any Winky. i doubt it.. sam soliman threw like 1000 punches against a prime winky and lost every round. i think he schools pwill in his prime @54

have any of you seen Winky vs Harry Simon? http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145614 Can't find the fight video, but that's all I could find.

have any of you seen Winky vs Harry Simon?

He wasn't competitive against Williams' style. Yeah he was past his prime but a volume puncher like PWil would be a nightmare for any Winky. To be fair, he was way past his prime, and just came back from a long layoff. At that point in his career, I expected P-Will to win. I agree I think P-Will gives him fits regardless, but I think a prime Winky beats him. I'm a Winky homer, so I always ride with Winky.

IMO Tito was his best at 154 lb. Winky was so avoided that even when Vargas fought him he got a questionable win. Winky in his prime was just a problem for anybody at that weight. I'm just not sure he spent enough time there to justify 154 as his best weight. You take his blatant low blow against Vargas and most likely loses by KO to a very good but still young/green 154 pounder. At 147 Tito was a beast.

I do consider him better, based on the fact that Winky was competitive with all styles. Where as Tito can be dramatically exposed against certain styles. He wasn't competitive against Williams' style. Yeah he was past his prime but a volume puncher like PWil would be a nightmare for any Winky.

I was a big Trinidad fan and saw all of his fights and the fight with Wright was his worst performance by far. Wright was a real good fighter at this time and he deserves credit for this great win. Wright had a great defense and a hard style to deal with. Mayweather and Oscar turn down fights with him at 154. During the time of both the Hopkins and Wright fights Trinidad was having some serious personal and family problems that had a bad effect on his training. I was told this by a relative of Trinidad. If you only judge Trinidad by those two fights he does not look like anything special. I hope people won't go only by those two fights because they are misleading. The totally dedicated and focused Trinidad that went undefeated for his first 40 fights including 20 tittle fights was truely an all time great. If Winky had fought the Trinidad that KOed Vargas he might still have won but he would have been in a hard fight and not a shutout. Trinidad was perfect at 154 and 160 was to heavy for him but I think the main reason he looked average against Hopkins and Wright is because he was not devoted to boxing in those fights. That's just my opinion.

I do consider him better, based on the fact that Winky was competitive with all styles. Where as Tito can be dramatically exposed against certain styles. Well I can respect that and see what you're getting at, like I said I'm not too committed in saying either is better than the other. But off the top of my head, Tito has the better resume IMO, but that too maybe arguable. I think Winky beats Tito at any weight/time frame for what it's worth.

I'm not sure if I agree entirely with Winky being "better" than Tito. But I do think that Winky was a style nightmare for Trinidad.basically this. a left hooker vs a southpaw with a great jab. problems all day.

I think at 147 Tito could win cause Winky would be weight drained and Tito was at his best. IMO Tito was his best at 154 lb. Winky was so avoided that even when Vargas fought him he got a questionable win. Winky in his prime was just a problem for anybody at that weight.

I do consider him better, based on the fact that Winky was competitive with all styles. Where as Tito can be dramatically exposed against certain styles. Excellent point, Winky might not win a popularity contest against Tito, or been as exciting (In some people's opinions), but he was a very smart fighter.

I'm not sure if I agree entirely with Winky being "better" than Tito. But I do think that Winky was a style nightmare for Trinidad. I do consider him better, based on the fact that Winky was competitive with all styles. Where as Tito can be dramatically exposed against certain styles.

winky is a better fighter than tito. 154, 160, whatever. winky is just better. not to mention after bhop, tito was not quite the same... I'm not sure if I agree entirely with Winky being "better" than Tito. But I do think that Winky was a style nightmare for Trinidad.

as far as I am concerned, it is common knowledge that Tito was shot AND way out of his natural weight class. Same with his fight against Roy Jones. he was WAY out of his weight class with jones, he was not way out of his weight class with winky. not like winky was a huge 160, and tito fought at 160 before. tito being "shot" combined with winky being the better man in all departments, is why tito got dominated. there is one thing losing to the better man, there is another looking foolish (as tito did). i take nothing away from trinidad though, dude was a beast in his prime, but lets call a spade a spade, winky is just better

Winky's style would had beaten Tito at any weight I think at 147 Tito could win cause Winky would be weight drained and Tito was at his best.

as far as I am concerned, it is common knowledge that Tito was shot AND way out of his natural weight class. Same with his fight against Roy Jones. They were both shot, at that point. I still watched it though;-)

as far as I am concerned, it is common knowledge that Tito was shot AND way out of his natural weight class. Same with his fight against Roy Jones.

winky is a better fighter than tito. 154, 160, whatever. winky is just better. not to mention after bhop, tito was not quite the same...