Was Floyd Sr right when he called Roach the Joke Coach?

Duran like style?? Roach is a great offensive trainer, but a below average all-around trainer... His fighters have no defense, and he's terrible at strategy... If his fighter isn't already physically superior to his opponent, you see the results... JCC Jr/Martinez, Linares/Demarco I'd like to see him train Berto

Duran like style?? Roach is a great offensive trainer, but a below average all-around trainer... His fighters have no defense, and he's terrible at strategy... If his fighter isn't already physically superior to his opponent, you see the results... JCC Jr/Martinez, Linares/Demarco I'd like to see him train Berto

mayweather sr. talks a lot of bullsh1t and is a pathological liar. why does he do it? maybe he craves for some attention, like father like son. why would anyone believe what this crackhead says?

what nonsense you're spewin, see why you're in red with all your lieing I think you should actually watch the fight before you comment. LOL

I think he's ruined khan. Theirs no excuse for khan to be fighting like a hopping jack rabbit, throwing 200 punches a round with his chin pointed to the ceiling. He's good at training a certain style of fighter, but can't adjust to certain styles of opposition. He needs to realize certain styles shouldn't be used for certain fighters. I voted average trainer. Literally LOL'd at this post.

Floyd Sr will boss you around, even if your a star fighter, but he made Dawson a slick BEAST. Roach will jell with you, but he cant teach you anything. Reasons why Roach suck; Roach was an inside fighter, but Khan lost to Pete, because Khan wasnt taught any inside abilities Khan has a flawed in-out amatuer style, which WORKS for him, and his speed, but Roach tried to improve his inside abilities during the WRONG fight, against a big puncher. Khan was flat footed, and pivoted while getting his combos off, which was great, except he did it against a guy who you shouldnt be fighting so close with. Bad judgement call. Ariza made Pac a tireless power punching phenom at ww, who walked through punches like a cyborg, yet Roach took credit for changing him when Pac's skills really didnt change at all. Which was proven against JMM Jorge Linares was beating Demarco until Roach told him to be more offensive minded, and cost him the fight. Jorge was an AMAZINGLY talented, slick, natural fighter with GREAT defensive abilities, and skills, until Roach turned him into a face first swarmer like Khan, and got him KO'd in his latest fight. Roach has gotten with names, and rode their wave. He never took a fighter and turned him to a beast. To me it seems like he ruined them. what nonsense you're spewin, see why you're in red with all your lieing

I think roach is good at what he does and could really improve a fighter's offense. Like if your someone like pac who has the chin to barrage opponents then roach is good for you. Nobody is a perfect trainer that could teach you everything, from defense, to ring generalship, its really up to the fighters. Roach doesn't teach how to box on the inside but if he trains andre ward, ward would still be nightmare on the inside.

^^ good points, I've had the same sort of perception of Roach for the past year or so, he does seem to do many of his fighters more harm than good. I think he's just pretty one-dimensional and possibly the Parkinsons is affecting his judgment and effectiveness more and more.

He's good, IMO. I'd rather go with Roach than Floyd Sr. Floyd Sr will boss you around, even if your a star fighter, but he made Dawson a slick BEAST. Roach will jell with you, but he cant teach you anything. Reasons why Roach suck; Roach was an inside fighter, but Khan lost to Pete, because Khan wasnt taught any inside abilities Khan has a flawed in-out amatuer style, which WORKS for him, and his speed, but Roach tried to improve his inside abilities during the WRONG fight, against a big puncher. Khan was flat footed, and pivoted while getting his combos off, which was great, except he did it against a guy who you shouldnt be fighting so close with. Bad judgement call. Ariza made Pac a tireless power punching phenom at ww, who walked through punches like a cyborg, yet Roach took credit for changing him when Pac's skills really didnt change at all. Which was proven against JMM Jorge Linares was beating Demarco until Roach told him to be more offensive minded, and cost him the fight. Jorge was an AMAZINGLY talented, slick, natural fighter with GREAT defensive abilities, and skills, until Roach turned him into a face first swarmer like Khan, and got him KO'd in his latest fight. Roach has gotten with names, and rode their wave. He never took a fighter and turned him to a beast. To me it seems like he ruined them.

like Freddie the Joke Coach said they only fougth JMM becaues they thougth he was to old . What does that tell you?

This is what Mayweather Sr. called Roach: http://www.ramendays.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/roach-coach-lunch-truck-food-truck.jpg

Roach teaches all of his fighters to fight the same way. Therefore he cannot be a great trainer. He doesn't know how to enhance a fighters strengths. but then again Ricky hatton did try to shoulder roll when he fought pac.

IMO opinion Fredde roach is abit overrated,he forces pacquiaos opponents to fight at catchweights and is only really popular cuz of manny,Floyd Sr IMO is beeter than roach,i loved watching an interview where roach wouldnt let manny fight shane mosley after mosley destroyed margarito but had.no problem fighting mosley when mosley was Washed up proper bad when shane beat the **** outta margarito pacquiao had just fought oscar and went back down to fight hatton, then tested the waters again vs cotto at 147 he wasn't a 147 pounder yet, and no one thought he could campaign there, thus the thoughts of "cotto is too big, he's gonna ko pacquiao, pacquiao has never fought a legit welterweight with the power of miguel cotto" etc ya fool

IMO opinion Fredde roach is abit overrated,he forces pacquiaos opponents to fight at catchweights and is only really popular cuz of manny,Floyd Sr IMO is beeter than roach,i loved watching an interview where roach wouldnt let manny fight shane mosley after mosley destroyed margarito but had.no problem fighting mosley when mosley was Washed up proper bad

I voted average. I always thought he was a better match maker than trainer. 36 rounds with Marquez and they still cant figure dude out? He fights Manny going backwards for 12 rounds and Manny still looks silly. that is a good point. Marquez wins or nearly wins because of strategy every time. Pac has all of the physical advantages (power, speed, youth and even chin) and yet even with all of those advantages after 3 tries he still cant get it right strategy and boxing wise.

its trash talk, It cant really be considered right or wrong because its not to be taken seriously. you can argue that roach is overrated if you want but you cant seriously say he is less than average and a joke as a coach. senior just says that because it rhymes and hes in competition with roach but you already knew that before you made this thread

I voted average. I always thought he was a better match maker than trainer. 36 rounds with Marquez and they still cant figure dude out? He fights Manny going backwards for 12 rounds and Manny still looks silly. to be fair to roach he has stated on many occassions that they want to gain lead foot dominance, and he tells manny that inbetween rounds, pacquiao just has a bad habit of wanting to look straight down the middle before he ejects a cross at you, and marquez's wide stance along with moving to his left makes it hard for him to do anything

I voted average. I always thought he was a better match maker than trainer. 36 rounds with Marquez and they still cant figure dude out? He fights Manny going backwards for 12 rounds and Manny still looks silly.

no , only idiots take this ugly ass mofo floyd sr seriously ... I may have worded it differently but this ^^^^^^ sums it up.

Roach is an OK trainer and a great match maker, but when they run out of cherry picks their fighters get exposed as very limited and ordinary which is why Pac's looks like his declining and JR, Khan look like just hyped up bums.