I miss the old heavyweights

Foreman's defense was so bad, his technique so awful, his style so outdated.... that he still managed to kick ass till he was 48. Weren't modern fighters stronger, fitter and all? Besides, you are obviously biased when picking Foreman out of the pool. Are you seriously attempting to state that fighters such as the Klits, Haye, Chisora or Arreola are in any fashion better boxers than Holmes, Alì, Norton and Patterson?, (just to name a few fighters about the same age as George Foreman). If so... I'm sorry to say... you are delusional, Sir You're comparing Chisora and Arreola with Holmes, Ali, Norton and saying I'm delusional :lol1:

Foreman in his second Career was a far better Boxer, Crab defense coupled with a strong Jab and a Granite Chin. Great Stuff.

Yeah I really miss the technique of the golden age of HW boxing where we had a champ who would wind up his punches from behind his back He did that when he was fighting three dudes one after another. Once. Ali happened to be in the audience, with his belt. Foreman was show-boating all night, dancing, throwing insults and looks at Ali (who was commentating) during the fight and used a cross armed defense so bad no fighter since has ever used it. The cross armed defense is great for defending your head when your reactions are too slow to even bother trying to defend everywhere. Foreman happened to only use that style during his comeback when he was an old man, tutored by Archie Moore. Another dude who used that style in his advanced age. Highlight videos?

your the only troll in here, you choose to miss my point completely and pick at a little typing error, were having a discussion if you cant add to it, Faaaark off! Little typing error, right. My keyboard unintentionally writes Dempsey all the time too :twak: F*ck off troll.

Yeah I really miss the technique of the golden age of HW boxing where we had a champ who would wind up his punches from behind his back and used a cross armed defense so bad no fighter since has ever used it. Foreman's defense was so bad, his technique so awful, his style so outdated.... that he still managed to kick ass till he was 48. Weren't modern fighters stronger, fitter and all? Besides, you are obviously biased when picking Foreman out of the pool. Are you seriously attempting to state that fighters such as the Klits, Haye, Chisora or Arreola are in any fashion better boxers than Holmes, Alì, Norton and Patterson?, (just to name a few fighters about the same age as George Foreman). If so... I'm sorry to say... you are delusional, Sir

You miss Dempsey huh? What are you, 120? Obvious troll is obvious :lol1: your the only troll in here, you choose to miss my point completely and pick at a little typing error, were having a discussion if you cant add to it, Faaaark off!

It's still an opinion so cut that sh1t out your the only troll in here, you choose to miss my point completely and pick at a little typing error, were having a discussion if you cant add to it, Faaaark off!

It's just logical thinking. A perfectly trained super heavyweight like Wlad, Vitali or LL will most likely hit harder than a cruiserweight like Frazier or Ali. Plus it's Emanuel Steward's opinion. Not that I didn't even say today's heavyweights hit harder. I just found the statement "Frazier, Ali and Dempsey hit harder IMO" ridiculous. It's still an opinion so cut that sh1t out

i miss the dempseys, fraziers, ali's of the heavyweight division, the fighters that could move like middleweights but hit like mac trucks, now its just robotic steroid looking giants who lack movement, its like a bunch of primo carneras fighting, i miss the golden era!! You miss Dempsey huh? What are you, 120? Obvious troll is obvious :lol1:

Okay, so what FACTS are there that show Wladimir Klitschko hits harder then Dempsey, Frazier and Ali? The truth is there are no FACTS that show this, your arguing his opinion with your opinion so don't say "Guess your "opinion" is worth more than facts." Anytime a Klitschko fan talks about FACTS you really have slap them in the face... It's just logical thinking. A perfectly trained super heavyweight like Wlad, Vitali or LL will most likely hit harder than a cruiserweight like Frazier or Ali. Plus it's Emanuel Steward's opinion. Note that I didn't even say today's heavyweights hit harder. I just found the statement "Frazier, Ali and Dempsey hit harder IMO" ridiculous.

He was talking about Dempsey, Frazier and Ali in the opening post, not Foreman or Liston. And I don't really believe light heavyweights or cruiserweights like Dempsey, Marciano or Ali were hitting harder than today's top heavyweights. And I just believe Wlad is one of the hardest hitters in boxing history (so does Emanuel Steward). Okay, so what FACTS are there that show Wladimir Klitschko hits harder then Dempsey, Frazier and Ali? The truth is there are no FACTS that show this, your arguing his opinion with your opinion so don't say "Guess your "opinion" is worth more than facts." Anytime a Klitschko fan talks about FACTS you really have slap them in the face...

your picking one old style and running with it, kind of disrespectfull if it wasnt for the greats of the sport, all the floyds,klitshkos, mannys wouldnt have a style to mold off and you seem to be going way back when you say ancient times, becoz i didnt see ali swinging from behind his back and ide put him up against any of your modern heavyweights any day and you watch him school them on boxing I would really enjoy putting Ali vs Wlad. I think it would be an entertaining fight. I don't think I said anything disrespectful. The post I quoted said that todays fighters had worse technique than old school fighters. I just provided an example of a fighter - one that seems to have flown over your head - from the golden age of Heavyweight boxing that had much worse technique than todays heavyweights. (George Foreman)

Yeah I really miss the technique of the golden age of HW boxing where we had a champ who would wind up his punches from behind his back and used a cross armed defense so bad no fighter since has ever used it. no i was talking about the old great heavyweights thats why i said some of there names and said etc.

Yeah I really miss the technique of the golden age of HW boxing where we had a champ who would wind up his punches from behind his back and used a cross armed defense so bad no fighter since has ever used it. your picking one old style and running with it, kind of disrespectfull if it wasnt for the greats of the sport, all the floyds,klitshkos, mannys wouldnt have a style to mold off and you seem to be going way back when you say ancient times, becoz i didnt see ali swinging from behind his back and ide put him up against any of your modern heavyweights any day and you watch him school them on boxing

I agree with you. People keep on saying that boxers nowadays are stronger, I don't see many actual Ko's (not TKo's), What I see is slower, less refined. less complete fighters. The sport is facing an era of decline. " Today there are less than half the number of professional fighters that there was in 1955. In the 1920's there were more professional fighters licensed in New York City than there are licensed in the entire world today. So the numbers today mean something" Yeah I really miss the technique of the golden age of HW boxing where we had a champ who would wind up his punches from behind his back and used a cross armed defense so bad no fighter since has ever used it.

Size and strength are a lot less important than speed and coordination in boxing. You can throw Bob Sapp in a ring, and most HWs would put him in a stretcher by the end of the night. bob sapp isnt much of a boxer. What you are really saying is put him in with someone with way more boxing experience than him and he gets beat in... boxing.

What facts exist that Wladimir hits harder then Foreman/Liston/Ali? Nah f*ck that, what "facts" exist that Wladimir hits harder then....fking Chuck Wepner..? He was talking about Dempsey, Frazier and Ali in the opening post, not Foreman or Liston. And I don't really believe light heavyweights or cruiserweights like Dempsey, Marciano or Ali were hitting harder than today's top heavyweights. And I just believe Wlad is one of the hardest hitters in boxing history (so does Emanuel Steward).

Size and strength are a lot less important than speed and coordination in boxing. You can throw Bob Sapp in a ring, and most HWs would put him in a stretcher by the end of the night.

I agree with you. People keep on saying that boxers nowadays are stronger, I don't see many actual Ko's (not TKo's), What I see is slower, less refined. less complete fighters. The sport is facing an era of decline. " Today there are less than half the number of professional fighters that there was in 1955. In the 1920's there were more professional fighters licensed in New York City than there are licensed in the entire world today. So the numbers today mean something"

Ernie Shavers is getting mentioned way too much here. He was a bad fighter who happened to have a massive punch. He is lucky not to have met up with Frazier or Foreman who would have pounded him back into obscurity. Like Ron Standers should have Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android