Lance Armstrong Scandal got me thinking about Pacquaio

I'm gonna make this quick because I have work to do today dimwit. I've seen Pac throw 7 punches in one second against Margarito while fighting at 150, you're saying Pac didn't get older, faster and stronger?? Stupid. He did better than that against Cotto. He threw like 12 punches in 2 seconds. Duran move up in weight gradually over time. Duran started fighting in the 60's and fought Barkley in the late 80's early 90's. Duran didn't do anything near what Pac did in a short span of time. He "GRADUALLY" moved up in weight after 20+ years of fighting and aging. He didn't just go in and blow Barkley out the water like Pac did with Hatton and Cotto. Secondly, do you know anything about walking around weight vs fight weight and how "BIGGER" fighters cut weight to be the bigger man? Do you know anything about that? From your post, it seems you think that because a guy might weigh 160 on fight night after weighing 140 at the weigh in that he's able to fight as a middleweight against other middleweights. Are you really this stupid??? I don't care about Pac's fight night weight against Morales or Barerra because just because you weigh a certain amount on the night of the fight doesn't mean you're going to be able to fight other guys at that "actual" weight in real fights. Oh yeah, and Pac has been cutting weight. He was walking around at 153-154 when he fought DLH. Yes, 154. That means he put on around 15-20 pounds of muscle in 10 months then cut down to like 142 at the weigh in and came in around 145 for the fight. Point is, he cut weight. Point is, it seems like you know nothing about how bigger guys cut weight and are the stronger fighters. It seems you think it's perfectly normal for a guy to go from fighting as a 130 lber to fighting as a 147 lber in less than a year because of his "fight night weight" as a 130'lber lol. Are you really stupid? Guys that go up in weight are bloated. They don't keep their same form, speed and quickness. In fact, Pac went up in weight and broke round by round punch stats for most punches thrown as a WW. Since when do you go up in weight, keep muscle, power, speed and increase your punch stats by the round? Pac threw more punches as a WW then he did when he was younger and weighed 118 pounds you dummy! Who does that in the history of boxing you moron? For those reading, sorry if this wasn't written like a college paper, but this topic has been discussed to many times for me to re-dig and properly order the events that happened in front of everyones eyes and should be common sense by now. Either way, I'm done. you're a dumbarse and need to change your name to boxingGenious to boxingnoobdumbarse. Pacquiao didnt bloat up because hhe doesnt cut weight anymore. look at where he's fighting. 147. That is his walking around weight. Like i said, you dont know wh*t about boxing or boxing history. YOu want to see what you want to see. & lmfaaoo of at throwing combinations as some smoking gun for steroid use. You are a dumbass and im so glad you're done posting. If you're whole premise of pac cheating is his weight or going up in division then keep thinking it because that ignorant ass theory has been debunked several times here and in the history section. lmfaaoo at combination punching = steroid use. what a dumbarse.

Lance Armstrong SHOULD remind you of pacquaio, seeing they are both KNOWN steroid CHEATS. Ask JINKEE if pacquaio is a CHEATER, you will just have to ask her at the right time because shes hard to understand when PAQUIAO MAKES HER CRY.

Right because any and every athlete put on as much weight as Manny did (short period of time) and became the predator while moving up in weight. Who in the history of boxing as become a predator as going up in weight and being the smaller fighter? You can't get older and faster. You can get older, bigger and slower. But not all of the above. Oh yeah, and I don't care what people say about him fighting the "right" opponents at the right time. Even though that may be true, there should still be a certain way you win when you're the smaller fighter. Not blowing guys out the water like he was doing. He looked superhuman. He has since come back down to human form as of late. But back in 08/09, he was definitely on some super human/strength type schit. 1. Are you a moron? Pac put on as much weight? There was no large weight fluctuation AT ALL with Pac. Check his official weigh in and fight night weigh in weights for his entire career. NO STATISTICAL ANOMALY OR SUSPICIOUS WEIGHT FLUCTUATIONS. Only a noob ass boxing fan would think so. 2. Move up in weight and be a predator? what like georges carpentier who started at flyweight and fought all the way up to jack dempsey? like roberto duran who started at 118 and beat iran barkley at 160? or like dingaan thobela who started at 126 and ended up at 175? oooh how about henry armstrong who was a champion at 126,135,& 147 at the same time? Or how about mickey walter who started at 135 and fought successfully all the way up to 175? Go ahead and boxrec them. I can keep going. Boxing history is littered with fighters who have gone up in weight classes in more pronounced fashion than pac. But since you are a ignorant ass noob fan you wouldnt know that would you? 3.Pac moved up and became even faster? LMFAAOOO. Like i said, you are a noob ass ignorant fan. Pac didnt get faster, he got slower. The difference is he was a naturally fast fighter moving up in weight. Lower weight fighters are faster than higher weight fighters. 4. smaller fighters? lmfaaooo, like mike tyson who was a short heavyweight but knocked guys out who were 30,40 lbs bigger and 5-6 inches taller? like sam langford who was 5'6 but was a great heavyweight? like 5'5 dwight qawi a great 175 lb fighter? 5. 08/09 he was on some superman sh*t? you fl 0m0s rip pacquiao's resume saying he beat cotto at a catchweight (as if cotto was some physically imposing indestructible force, he wasnt always hurt in a lot of fights also a very small welter), he ko'd hatton (as if hatton was some huge indestructible forec, he wasnt got ko'd by soft punching floyd, hurt vs shot lazcano and collazo) and do i even need to mention the oscar fight? Yea, his opponents sucked so bad but pacquiao must be roiding cuz no way he beat all those sucky fighters. lmfaaoo.... ohh the weights for predatory 08/09: 2006 | 129 | Morales III | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 15 lbs 2007 | 130 | Barrera II | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 14lbs 2008 | 129 | Marquez II | Ring Weight: 145 | Rehydration: 16lbs 2008 | 134½ | Diaz | Ring Weight: 147 | Rehydration: 12½ lbs 2008 | 142 | De La Hoya | Ring Weight: 148.5 | Rehydration: 6½ lbs 2009 | 138 | Hatton | Ring Weight: 148 | Rehydration: 10 lbs 2009 | 144 | Cotto | Ring Weight: 149 | Rehydration: 5 lbs 144-149 = 5 lbs difference in three years. Like i said, you are a ignorant ass noob boxing fan. I am suspicious of just about anyone now days. I only got suspicious of Manny because of the rise from 129-139-145 in about 18 months time, and he didn't lose any speed or look different in the slighest by the weight. People like to bring up that Floyd and Manny chart, but it's only half the story. Floyd's last fight at 130 was 2001, and he didn't get up to 140 until 2004, and than 147 in 2005. Manny's last fight at 130 was 2008 and he was up to 140 by the end of 2008 and than to 147 by 2009. He rose in weight much quicker than Floyd did in the end. But I got suspicious mainly because he flipped on being able to take random testing and constantly asked for certain cutoff days and than refused to test to fight day. But we should really be suspicious of anyone. my posts applies to your stupidity as well.

Whatever side of the fence you sit on with certain fighters, the one truth is that boxing needs Olympic style testing all year around, and especially at championship level. I'm not sure how they implement it, money wise, I'm sure if you took a very small portion of fighter purses they could easily do it. Here is the thing Floyd Mayweathers OST testing is complete BS, it is a show. It has made little difference, but is a step in the right direction, because it has got people talking about proper drug testing. If there is one thing that this Armstrong scandal has taught us, is that boxing testing is lightyears behind.

This post does not apply to Pacquaio ONLY. You could say that for most boxers in this sport.

I don't think other cyclists made up the whole story about Armstrong because they were scared of him. So there is no simularity between that and the Mayweather-Pacquiao situation.

For all those who think Floyd's testing is useless because it's not year round,that is the weakest ****ing argument ever! It's still tougher testing than what Manny is doing Manny is so blatantly up to no good it's ****ing crazy to see people defend him He is an exciting fighter and ye can still like watching him,but him and his team have made it do ****ing obvious they are up to something. They wanted Mosley and Marquez to do random testing and when both agreed but on the grounds Manny has to do them too,they let it slide.Come on for **** sake,it's right in front of ye people but yer choosing to ignore it! And for those accusing Mayweather,think about it without blatant hatred for the man. As he has got older,he has lost some speed,his movement isn't as good as it was,as he moved up weight classes his power suffered.All in keeping in what would be deemed natural for a fighter getting older and moving up in weight.

For all those who think Floyd's testing is useless because it's not year round,that is the weakest ****ing argument ever! It's still tougher testing than what Manny is doing Manny is so blatantly up to no good it's ****ing crazy to see people defend him He is an exciting fighter and ye can still like watching him,but him and his team have made it do ****ing obvious they are up to something. They wanted Mosley and Marquez to do random testing and when both agreed but on the grounds Manny has to do them too,they let it slide.Come on for **** sake,it's right in front of ye people but yer choosing to ignore it! And for those accusing Mayweather,think about it without blatant hatred for the man. As he has got older,he has lost some speed,his movement isn't as good as it was,as he moved up weight classes his power suffered.All in keeping in what would be deemed natural for a fighter getting older and moving up in weight.

Floyd style testing caught nobody in pro boxing. You know why? because its not the real Olympic testing. Its FAKE and easy to beat. Oh really? So you are suggesting that if only Floyd had asked for the REAL Olympic testing then Manny would have gladly accepted and given his blood?

Okay... Lance Armstrong Scandal got me thinking about Mayweather. (And oh, there is no scandal. Everybody knew all along that Armstrong wasn't clean.)

I think the only time suspicion comes is when a fighter dodgies a test that might be random or failed one, Even when they fail one what happens? We already had that scenario in the last 18 months and they same people in this thread chatting about Pacquiao were the ones "Falling" for the poppy eye excuses while shouting "Vindincation" when Lamont Pederson and Berto was involved.

I am suspicious of just about anyone now days. I only got suspicious of Manny because of the rise from 129-139-145 in about 18 months time, and he didn't lose any speed or look different in the slighest by the weight. People like to bring up that Floyd and Manny chart, but it's only half the story. Floyd's last fight at 130 was 2001, and he didn't get up to 140 until 2004, and than 147 in 2005. Manny's last fight at 130 was 2008 and he was up to 140 by the end of 2008 and than to 147 by 2009. He rose in weight much quicker than Floyd did in the end. But I got suspicious mainly because he flipped on being able to take random testing and constantly asked for certain cutoff days and than refused to test to fight day. But we should really be suspicious of anyone.

Actually Manny will have been tested 0 times this year with Olympic style drug testing. That's why there are so many questions about how legit he is. Well if you put it that way, Floyd has done 0 times as well using Olympic style testing which is a random drug test that can be taken any time of the year not just a window of a few weeks. Just as important, Floyd would NOT know when he would be tested. So Floyd = Manny when it comes to taking true OST!!! By the way, testing is no longer the issue between Floyd and Manny ... it's that Floyd wants "ALL PPV MONEY". So if Floyd gets serious on the money front then you will see Manny getting tested under Floyd's testing rules not true OST. Watch: If Manny KOs Floyd, I'm sure that Floyd fans will say that Manny cheated ..... you know "If Lance Armstrong can cheat then it would be easy for Manny to cheat since he was tested only a couple of times prior to the fight"

Actually Manny will have been tested 0 times this year with Olympic style drug testing. That's why there are so many questions about how legit he is. Floyd style testing caught nobody in pro boxing. You know why? because its not the real Olympic testing. Its FAKE and easy to beat. Real Olympic style testing the athletes know nothing when he will be tested. Floyd on other hand knows very well what months is. :chairshot

With your response then you are OK that Manny will be tested twice this year... Actually Manny will have been tested 0 times this year with Olympic style drug testing. That's why there are so many questions about how legit he is.

How often has Manny been tested with OST recently? Even if it's only for a few weeks per year? What? Do you want proper testing or not? With your response then you are OK that Manny will be tested twice this year while Floyd against Cotto 3? 4? 5? in a span of a few weeks then he can do what he wants for the rest of the year.

Recent developments suggest that those who demand extra testing are the ones guilty of using peds. What it suggests to me is they didn't care if they get tested positive. They bank on the possibility that promoters and tv networks are not likely to cancel a fight after spending thousands of dollars in its preparation and promotion. It's kinda like a thief knows how it is to be a thief.

Floyd has only been getting tested recently for one and only required to be "ready" to be tested for a few weeks per year since he only fights once a year now. How often has Manny been tested with OST recently? Even if it's only for a few weeks per year?

Right because any and every athlete put on as much weight as Manny did (short period of time) and became the predator while moving up in weight. Who in the history of boxing as become a predator as going up in weight and being the smaller fighter? You can't get older and faster. You can get older, bigger and slower. But not all of the above. Oh yeah, and I don't care what people say about him fighting the "right" opponents at the right time. Even though that may be true, there should still be a certain way you win when you're the smaller fighter. Not blowing guys out the water like he was doing. He looked superhuman. He has since come back down to human form as of late. But back in 08/09, he was definitely on some super human/strength type schit. what a stupid fvcking post. Full of stupid theories and incorrect analysis. ill be back later to debunk this ignorant ass post. thread subscribed.

lmao, pac stans still trying to justify a refusal to be tested. bahahaha.