Does Vitali Klitschko believe David Haye will beat him?

Haye's ageing game cost him the shot. Had the goods but never seemed mentally equal to Don Vito. 'Father and son'.

I don't think Haye really believes he can beat Vitali......

The problem with accepting this as an excuse for the performance means we then have to accept Haye's injury excuse for the Wladimir fight. So if you're saying that because Vitali was injured against Chisora, we can't use it as a guideline to how he might do against Haye. In the same way, because Haye was injured against Wladimir we can't use it as a guideline to how he might do against Vitali. And even if you decide to just believe Vitali's injury excuse, and totally ignore Haye's injury excuse, the fact is that Vitali and Wladimir have two different styles and skills so we can't take one of the fighters as a benchmark as to how any opponent would perform against both of them. It's important to accept they are individual boxers who could perform very differently against the same opponent. good post I hate the double standards - u can't count vitali performance v chisora but because of Haye's performance v wlad he would obviously lose. :wtf:

I think the better question would be does Boente think Haye would beat Vitali, I'm sure Vitali himself is confident he would get the win.

The "trouble" Klitschko was talking about was because he had only one arm from round 2..... The problem with accepting this as an excuse for the performance means we then have to accept Haye's injury excuse for the Wladimir fight. So if you're saying that because Vitali was injured against Chisora, we can't use it as a guideline to how he might do against Haye. In the same way, because Haye was injured against Wladimir we can't use it as a guideline to how he might do against Vitali. And even if you decide to just believe Vitali's injury excuse, and totally ignore Haye's injury excuse, the fact is that Vitali and Wladimir have two different styles and skills so we can't take one of the fighters as a benchmark as to how any opponent would perform against both of them. It's important to accept they are individual boxers who could perform very differently against the same opponent.

Vitali and Boente said that they'd definitely fight Haye if he beat Chisora, but now they seem very reluctant to go through with their side of the deal. Do you think it's because Vitali believes Haye has a good chance of beating him? I remember in the Chisora fight, in the post-fight ring interview Vitali said that if Chisora was a faster fighter he would have been in real trouble. Haye is much faster than Chisora and Vitali may have realized that he could lose the fight because of Haye's speed and power, especially since he beat Chisora by KO in a much more impressive manner than Vitali was able to over 12 rounds. The "trouble" Klitschko was talking about was because he had only one arm from round 2.... I thought that by now this would have seeped down through the sediment. He damaged his rotator cuff and had surgery as soon as the fight was over. If he ends up not fighting Haye, it will have nothing to do with Haye's quality. He dislikes Haye intensely, but I don't think he'd deliberately deprive him of a payday. If fit, he'll chase Haye all around the ring, and when he catches him, he'll kill him. I can see Haye running backwards the whole fight, a sort of Valuev "strategy"..... Your thread misses a point. With two good arms, Klitschko could have finished Chisora in,say- being generous- 6 rounds.

He must have some doubt, otherwise he would KO that joke Haye. He could make alot of money and end his career on a high, although he probably wouldn't get much credit. So I guess its up to Vitali, he doesn't HAVE to, but if he fights the likes of Charr rather Haye for another year or so, I'm gonna call a spade a spade and say he is scared.

It only depends how Vitali feels about his body. If his body can cope with the training and everything there is no way in hell he would go into fight with any other though than to KO haye. Vitali is such a dedicated boxer even in his age, even with all the stuff he is doing apart from boxing, but lets be honest - haye doesn't represent anything that would be of a great challenge or motivation for Vitali. If he generally believes he can still fight he will fight Haye, but if he chooses to retire that doesn't have anything with Haye but with Vitali himself. Why would anybody think if Vitali is healthy he would be afraid or hesitant to fight the guy his little bro convincingly beat.

Vitali is terrified

There is NO WAY IN HELL that Vitali thinks Haye beats him. Im not saying that Haye has no chance against the faded champ, although I think Vitali forces the issue and stops Haye. Im not sure Vitali is afraid of anything that walks. That is just the kind of man he is.

I think Vitali feels he has bigger fish to fry in the political world.

If Haye came to fight, he'd likely be in trouble.

who's to say? i don't think he does.