Would his stock as a fighter go up or down
I was just watching the Chuck Wepner documentary and got to that part where they show Rocky saying "I just want to go the distance... "
If Bradley went the distance with Pacquiao but lost the decision as he should have... Would u people (especially the people that currently hate Bradley right now) actually think higher of him as a fighter
Becuz the fact is, Bradley did not deserve a Pacquiao fight, nor had he done anything for anyone to think this fight would be either close/competitive, or that Bradley had a shot at winning... The fight was obviously just a response to Floyd fighting the "young-lion" in Ortiz and nothing more
Despite all that, Bradley actually didn't do as bad as he should have, and actually looked a lot better against Pac (albeit a slightly faded Pac) than inarguably better fighters like Cotto and Margarito... Hell, even Barrera (if I remember correctly... been a while)
When he got hit, he didn't run, often even coming forward trying to retaliate... He put up the best showing he could, it just wasn't enough to get the (legitimate) win...
Now, considering how a lot of u are crucifying Bradley for not being THE FIRST FIGHTER IN HISTORY TO ADMIT THEY LOST AFTER A ROBBERY... Take that factor out completely and then what do u get
If after the final bell or in the following days he had said "hey i didnt win this belt, take it back Manny and lets have a rematch" I think he would have had the press and fans on his side making the rematch closer to reality, but it was a close fight, I thought Pacquiao won it and i dont like the stuff Bradley has been saying since.
I know it's important to believe he won for his own career and mental health, but when him and his trainer are saying they are getting fed up with the sport, it's like they really believe they won and the majority of us are idiots and saw a different fight.
He is a good solid fighter that doesn't do anything spectacularly, but is very steady and good in every department, which is a great asset to have. He needs to win the fans over and at the moment him and his team havent done that IMO
Man, you just disrespected Bradley a lot. He had done plenty to earn a Pacquiao fight, and he is a pretty good fighter.
It's really impossible to predict how NSB would have reacted if the decision was correct. Considering most this site thought Bradley would get knocked out and not be competitive at all, I would hope the opinion of him would have risen. He gave Pac a decent fight.I agree with this. Bradley earned the fight with lots of good wins. I thought he was a good enough fighter that as a Pacquiao fan I expected Pacquiao to win but I did not think it was an easy fight. The wrong decision had no effect on my opinion of Bradley. I don't pay attention to commentary. I still think Bradley is a very good fighter. I don't like him because he does more bragging and trashing of other fighters than any other fighter I know of. When he could see he was probably not going to get the Pacquiao rematch he and his team acted like crybabies. He tried to insult Pacquiao into changing his mind and fighting him, calling Pacquiao a coward. He said he would have KOed Pacquiao except for his two "broke feet". I really hope Peterson beats him. He needs a dose of humility.
This.....
Like Bradley was suppose to say "You know what?..take my belt I really lost"....
If Pacquiao didn't do it for Marquez in their 3rd fight..why should Bradley do it for Pacquiao??
Because Manny Pacquiao is the apple of many fan's eyes, that's why
Sorry but it makes no sense to me.
Controversial decisions are common enough in most sports.
Judges are there to do their job,they can make mistakes. Fans can agree or disagree, but should not disregard judges and their role in the sport.
WBO ordered a rematch , Manny did not take it and decided to fight JMM instead.
I do not see how people can blame Bradley for winning a split decision (which is in its own nature "controversial").
I would have blamed Bradley if he ducked a rematch, but it's not the case.
Bradley is just trying to make money. I can't blame him for that, and I respect him for stepping up like a champion and fighting Pac. It was a great night for boxing because that night showed the people don't need judges to tell them who really won.
That's why I don't see the point of JMM-Pacquiao 4, Because I believe JMM really won their last 2 fights, I don't need a judge to tell me who really won.
I don't think a win or a lost would make a difference in Bradley's career, Bradley is not a marketable fighter period, Some fighter are just like that, Mosley thought an Oscar De la Hoya win would propel his career upwards = Wrong, Hopkins thought a Tito Trinidad win would do wonders for his career = Wrong again, Bradley would probably find the right formula when he hits 32/33 ish and then he would be able to build on that, But right now he has to fight the scrubs and keep going.
I think Pac haters have tried to make Pacs stock go down with the furore they try create.
Saying Pac dont deserve no1 now. But reality is Pac has been fighting the best fighters in the world, ie JMM, Bradley etc etc and winning.
The only person to give him a close fight in 8 years is JMM, he is Pacs kryptonite. I hear you say Bradley gave Pac a close fight? No he didnt, been given a gift decsion and robbing Pac dont equate to a close fight.
So whichever way you see it, Pac is the no1 fighter p4p in the world still.
Bradley losing to Pac is what it is. But the moral of the story is Pac stock has fell subconciously undeservingly even though everyone saw him beat Bradley by clear decision.
No, he actually gained from getting the decision, that name will always ring in people's mind due to the win's "controversy". I like how people were ready to knock whoever his next opponent was, simply by saying "He went from a Pacquiao mega fight to 'so-and-so, when it's a damn fact his next opponent would have always been a significantly step lower than Manny in terms of a fight's magnitude, if he isn't fighting Mayweather next then one should have already expected that. Just goes to show people are still hurt by that victory, useless hating...
What the hell is up with people saying "Bradley should have admitted he lost"? That's ridiculously stupid, nobody in their right mind would do that. It's like being found innocent over a murder trial than coming back and telling the judge "I actually did do it". Makes no damn sense. Plus it was a close fight, not like Pacquiao did anything out of this world in the fight, he pretty much gave away the last 3-4 rounds.
Still waiting on these same people to start their "Pacquiao should admit he lost to Marquez" campaign.
I personally feel Bradley's fate was sealed... All thanks to the HBO commentary
I had cousin, not a boxing fan, text me during the fight to tell me Bradley was overrated and that he sucked... It made no sense to me considering how many people has he ever talked to about Bradley?? Literally just one... Me... And I told him before the fight that Bradley was gonna get demolished and embarrassed... So what reason did he have to believe Bradley was gonna do better than he did??
That just shows how powerful words can be to the ignorant... If u don't know what ur looking for, you can easily be manipulated by bias commentary
If Bradley lost that fight, his career would be buried right now... He'd be right there next to Joshua Clottey in obscurity
And its not becuz he ran, or covered up, or did anything to make himself look bad... It was all becuz of the commentary
This pretty much sums up my opinion, the commentary seems to be all people were paying attention too (fight was a snoozer, can't blame them). All the opinions I have heard from casuals are stuff they are parroting from HBO commentators, most notably Jim Lampley. I thought the fight was closer than everybody made it seem, and this was with Bradley suffering an injury early on.
Still, he fought on a big PPV fight and got the "win", no matter how you look at it his stock has to have gone up (couldn't go any lower).
Like what?
By saying he didn't deserve the fight.
The man owned 140 division and was a three time title winner who consistently won as the underdog.
He accomplished way more in his career than Ortiz and you're lumping him in with him.
Even if Bradley had lost, I doubt there would have been a rematch. I think Manny won decisively enough where he wouldn't get the praise that Cotto is getting for losing to Mayweather (not to say that the Cotto/Mayweather fight was that close or anything). At least with the "win", he's the "champion" at welterweight, which "should" give him some more pull in the game...even though he's kind of like the desperate guy that can't find a date to prom no matter how hard he tries. The real issue, win or lose, is that he's with Top Rank, which means that most of the interesting match ups wont happen because a lot of the talent at 140 and 147 are in the Golden Boy stable. Hence why we are left with the rather unexciting Bradely vs. Lamont Peterson II.
I'd say his stock went up no matter what, but winning brought his stock up more than losing would have.
If he lost like the majority thought he should have, the only people that would be talking about him right now are either fans, or people that thought he should have won. There wouldn't be even half as much talk about him if it wasn't for the controversy.
He had a good performance, but the attention he got from what he did isn't even CLOSE to the attention he's been gettin from that decision.
If I was him I woulda preferred to have lost that decision though. All this controversy ain't exactly bringin him any of the matches he's been trying to get.... If I can't get anything outta it, I'd rather not have people hating on me cause of something thats not even my fault lol
he went up either way in my book. i saw what i saw. if he wouldnt have been injured early in the fight, i could have seen him doing even better. he was beating pac for 2 minutes and 30 seconds of half of the rounds he lost.
lol Pactards still salty :bottle::bottle::bottle:
This.....
Like Bradley was suppose to say "You know what?..take my belt I really lost"....
If Pacquiao didn't do it for Marquez in their 3rd fight..why should Bradley do it for Pacquiao??