Who of those Klitschko opponents are bums and why? I will have a good laugh.

Who of those Klitschko opponents are bums and why? Monte Barrett--yes Chris Byrd Frans Botha--yes Ray Mercer--yes Corrie Sanders Lamon Brewster Sam Peter DaVarryl Williamson Sultan Ibragimov Ruslan Chagaev David Haye Tony Thompson Eddie Chambers Dereck Chisora Tomasz Adamek Herbie Hyde Larry Donald--yes Chris Arreola Juan Carlos Gomez Kirk Johnson Lennox Lewis Vaughn Bean--yes Timo Hoffmann--yes Shannon Briggs Axel Schulz --yes Paea Wolfgramm--yes ____________________________________________________ Now let me know which of those Klitschko opponents are bums cause I really wanna know. In my opinion none of them are bums, they were just not able to beat the Klitschkos (with a few exceptions like Corrie Sanders or Lennox Lewis). Either past it or never good.

It is much easier to name the good quality opponents as they are littered with bums. Yes Joe Louis dominated a weaker era, in a similar way. Wlad and Vitali will go down as great heavyweights, but that does not mean there competition has been par, because it hasn't. In comparison to Louis that TS keeps trying to manipulate, at least you can say that Louis lost to great fighters, Wlad has lost to decent to extremely average fighters. Vitali proved himself in his loss to Lewis, Wlad has not fought a great contemporary, maybe to his benefit in all honesty because I feel in a really tough fight his chin and stamina would not hold up. David Haye is Wlad's best win, who was a top cruiserweight, but limited by his size and style at heavyweight. It is a very good win nonetheless, because it was pretty one sided on the cards.

I remember the thread where someone called Sam Peter a bigger Joe Frazier and Sonny Liston.

sad...................

Lennox isn't. Byrd is so-so. The rest of the list is garbage. Mercer was a corpse by the time he fought a Klit. Sorry Son, you can't make sh1t that floats to the top of the cesspool smell like potpourri. Poet Says the little chubby loser who writes poems in his mums basement :lol1:

I knew guys like you would make this thread funny. I will repeat it: if you go through Joe Louis' or Larry Holmes' resume, and you will judge their opponents just like you judge the Klitschko opponents, you would have to say that ALL OF THEM are complete utter TRASH. but the truth is if a fighter is so dominant over so many years (like Klitschkos, Louis and Holmes), then the reason for the dominance is that they are so good, and not that the opponents are all trash. all the guys on my list which you called bums had excellent pro careers and most of them excellent amateur careers as well. Joe Louis and Larry Holmes fought guys who would get annihilated by most of the Klitschko opponents. I was trolling. It's difficult, of course, to compare their resumes. I have respect for both fighters; they can't be blamed for the decline in HW boxing. They deserve some credit (Wlad, in particular) for dominating the division.

How the public sees it: Monte Barrett - Bum Chris Byrd - Middleweight Frans Botha - Cab Driver Ray Mercer - Bus Driver Corrie Sanders - Golf Player Lamon Brewster - Former Boxer Sam Peter - Unemployment Beneficiary DaVarryl Williamson - Journeyman Sultan Ibragimov - A Jouurneyman's Journeyman Ruslan Chagaev - Taxi Bum David Haye - Paper Title Holder Tony Thompson - Future ATG Eddie Chambers - Unemployed Bum Dereck Chisora - Ex Glass Worker Tomasz Adamek - Polish Factory Worker Herbie Hyde - Leftovers Larry Donald - Continental Contender Chris Arreola - Unknown Mandatory Juan Carlos Gomez - Another Person Kirk Johnson - UppercutMyselfInTheFace Vaughn Bean - Man Timo Hoffmann - He Shannon Briggs - I Axel Schulz - Person Paea Wolfgramm - Unknown Entity

there you go... Can't really criticise Wlad's resume - he's fought most top 10 ranked fighters. Vitali's, however, is questionable. Unfortunately they'll never be ranked higher than Lennox, who is a top 10 ATG fighter I knew guys like you would make this thread funny. I will repeat it: if you go through Joe Louis' or Larry Holmes' resume, and you will judge their opponents just like you judge the Klitschko opponents, you would have to say that ALL OF THEM are complete utter TRASH. but the truth is if a fighter is so dominant over so many years (like Klitschkos, Louis and Holmes), then the reason for the dominance is that they are so good, and not that the opponents are all trash. all the guys on my list which you called bums had excellent pro careers and most of them excellent amateur careers as well. Joe Louis and Larry Holmes fought guys who would get annihilated by most of the Klitschko opponents.

Who of those Klitschko opponents are bums and why? Monte Barrett Chris Byrd Frans Botha Ray Mercer Corrie Sanders Lamon Brewster Sam Peter DaVarryl Williamson Sultan Ibragimov Ruslan Chagaev David Haye Tony Thompson Eddie Chambers Dereck Chisora Tomasz Adamek Herbie Hyde Larry Donald Chris Arreola Juan Carlos Gomez Kirk Johnson Lennox Lewis Vaughn Bean Timo Hoffmann Shannon Briggs Axel Schulz Paea Wolfgramm ____________________________________________________ Now let me know which of those Klitschko opponents are bums cause I really wanna know. In my opinion none of them are bums, they were just not able to beat the Klitschkos (with a few exceptions like Corrie Sanders or Lennox Lewis). there you go... Can't really criticise Wlad's resume - he's fought most top 10 ranked fighters. Vitali's, however, is questionable. Unfortunately they'll never be ranked higher than Lennox, who is a top 10 ATG fighter

Samuel Peter would destroy Earnie Shavers. Right after his fight with Wlad he got absolutely schooled by Toney in their first fight, one of the worst robberies I've ever seen, I think Atlas was at that fight going ape shyt lol.

Samuel Peter would destroy Earnie Shavers.lol really???

Lennox isn't. Byrd is so-so. The rest of the list is garbage. Mercer was a corpse by the time he fought a Klit. Sorry Son, you can't make sh1t that floats to the top of the cesspool smell like potpourri. Poet ur known to be the biggest clown here. if all those fighters on the list are garbage, then Joe louis and Larry Holmes didnt fight anybody with a pulse in their whole career.

They're two people you silly bastard...you can't count both sets of opponents and then apply it to both. Vitali has a weak resume and lacks heart. Wlad can't make up for all his older brothers shortcomings. I love how he did that.. Which Klitschko opponent...

Let me put it to you this way......in any other era would Samuel Peter be a Top Heavyweight????? No. The best fighters either have fought were Lennox (way past his best though), Byrd, and Haye.

They're two people you silly bastard...you can't count both sets of opponents and then apply it to both. Vitali has a weak resume and lacks heart. Wlad can't make up for all his older brothers shortcomings.

Ehhh Sam Peter wouldn't have lasted in the division if there was any talent. Peter was a product of the times and I hate to discredit him so much as to call him a "bum" but I will say he's a "POTT" Product of the Times. Juan Carlos Gomez would have been stopped by any top ten heavyweight, he got a shot by beating 40 yr old McCall? Who he beat while high on coke the first time? He's definitely a POTT. Chisora is a POTT for sure, I think Haye's dismantling of him in that fashion compared to Vitali's performance warrants Haye a title shot. Oh god the Shannon Briggs fight says it all about the Klitschkos. How did he get a title shot? KO'd 4 bums in a row and tested for roids on one of em? Briggs shouldn't have been anywhere close to a title shot...POTT Kirk Johnson was ehhhh weak opponent but that wasn't a title shot and Klitschkos have been known for fighting weak opponents in the last five years. Before 2007 there was good talent in the division and good fights but 2007-2012 some of the worst heavyweight boxing ever..... But it isn't the Klitschkos fault there hasn't been talent in the division, but in my opinion now there is. Price, Haye, Pulev is alright, but some decent fights can be made.

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