British Boxing

smart, honest guy here. British boxing is interesting inside its bubble, but only a few guys can even compete outside, let alone be "world class". Froch is the man. Im a big Froch fan. I really like Hatton too. Calzaghe was worth while too, although he beat washed up roy jones and Bhop. They are world class competitors, if not champions. Other than that Haye, Chisora, Fury, Mitchell, khan, you name him, are jokes. Total hype made by homers. "They are the best here, so they are better than anyone in the world" mentality. Theres really no other nation who has such delusionally nationalistic fans. Mexico, PR, Russia...They dont talk any crap, the fighters just get it done. Its 99% hot air from the british fighters.

So what about Saul Alvarez who went 12 with Hatton? He's so much more than a journeyman, he's a top European level welterweight who's a good gatekeeper for the world level. How is Haye's CW resume irrelevant? His HW resume is irrelevant as all he's done since arriving is win a title and fought poor opposition. After it's all said and done, Haye's only redeeming factor will be his run at cruiserweight. I'd say Valuev is a better win than Chisora, not by much. Chisora looking good against Vitali is more to do with Vitali looking that bad. He beat Helenius but he's an unknown quantity and same with Fury. Certainly not the best CW by a ' big ' margin, never fought the likes of Cunningham or Adamek to seal that deal. Was Adamek even a Cruiserweight at the time Haye was, And Cunningham would have been iced by Haye. Alvarez not stopping Hatton is the exact reason i don't rate Alvarez. Why are we disputing Haye when you have basically agreed with me that his resume is ****. Cruiser or heavy, and it is irrelevant because no one will ever remember or bring up what he done at Cruiserweight, they will with his heavyweight resume. All and all his resume is built on fighting in a weak division followed by an almost as weak division all the while fighting ****. I agree with you about Cunningham and Adamek to a point but name another great Cruiserweight that didn't go on to big things at heavyweight that has a better resume than Haye. Im not bothered about disputing who has the actual best resume at CW because frankly i believe that person themself couldn't give a ****. He was the best Cruiser around at the time, and don't think he'd have alot of trouble with Adamek who himself had fought some **** apart from Vitali where he got destroyed.

I just realised you said Chisora is Haye's best win, how? I was talking at heavyweight really, think the cruiserweight resume is irrelevant apart from the Thompson slip up we knew he was the best by a big margin in that division. Barrett was there to be beaten, as was A-Farce, Ruiz got beaten by a career middleweight/light heavyweight and was beaten in one round by a guy who never won a world title again already beaten before he'd even turned up. Valuev is just plain awful, I mean haye would have won 118-110 if the fight was anywhere other than Germany, although it was impressive that he got the decision. Unless I'm forgetting someone, Chisora was the best of a bad bunch, the only heavyweight in recent times to test Vitali, was robbed against Helenuis and come in way to carby for Fury. Chisora had a granite chin and a sort of half a punchers chance the best chance out of all the other bums Haye fought. Im not comparing Mayweather to Brook im stating that Hatton should have been Brooks Gatti, I mean he really should gone out there with bad intentions to make a statement but he didn't. Of course Brook is not in Mayweathers league, again just stating Brook if he were to be something special to go out and dominate a guy who was clearly out of his depth and stop him, ala Gatti/Mayweather. Are we not on the understanding that Matthew Hatton is just a journeymen who should be stopped if a prospect is anything to go by?

I love that Rickys back. I hope he does well against Katsidis.

After the Mitchell defeat, one i saw coming I feel way too many British fighters are overrated Then you say... I believe Burns is underrated you realise they're both British? Froch was underrated for a long time, possibly still is by some.

You're comparing Brook to Mayweather and Hatton to Gatti? :ugh: I think 95% of this forum would agree with me about Brook being a more entertaining fighter than Burns. Burns isn't marketable, lacks KO power, no charisma - still works in his local sports retailer, that's the only marketable trait he has, apart from being Scottish. I'd fancy BJS to beat Murray even though I rate Murray higher. Na using what happend in the Gatti/May fight as an example of the type of annihilation hatton should of recieved from Kell Brook in context to how Brook was bummed up as being a superstar slickster. It didn't happen and i thought nothing of the way he beat Hatton, again it was hard to watch. Is that true about Burns? just shows how little money boxers can make even if their world champion, its mad how footballers get so much in context to how hard boxers train and the torment they put on their bodys. Boxing really is a cut throat business. You don't rate Saunders? I'm sitting on the fence with him not quite sure what to make of him. Murray in my opinion is a heavybag that occasionly hits back.

Just because 70% of people thought Mitchell would win does not mean they don't have Burns rated higher. Burns has a very boring style compared to Brook, hands-up, methodical boxer, not much movement. Where as Brook slips punches and comes back with some nice counters, you couldn't put an entertaining KO highlight reel together of Burns' fights. But the style he fought against Mitchell was exciting, and I would never want to watch a highlight reel of Brook, the guy is boring, his interviews are boring, his sheffiled accent is annoying, he has very little charisma. I would rather watch a highleet reel of Burns last 5 fights than Brooks. I'm sorry Brooks is not exciting he has decent boxing skills again not fan friendly, I don't even think hes that slick. In the fight with Matthew Hatton it should of been a re-run of Maywether/Gatti. How can you pick someone to beat some else and not rate them higher than the person you picked to lose?

Winning a gold Olympic medal alone gives you a massive boost of publicity and attention. He signed a million pound contract with Warren and was to be his flagship fighter. Burns isn't highly rated because he never received the attention Brook has early in his career and he's not a marketable fighter. Where as Brook has the looks and fighting style to attract fans. I don't know where you get the idea that Brook and Mitchell are rated higher than Burns? I think you're confusing that with popularity. Na on a thread made months ago predicting the outcome 70% said Mitchell which amazed me. I said Burns in a close UD, did not see Burns stopping Mitchell that early. I wouldn't say Brook has that fan friendly style, the style Burns showed Saturday night is much more appealing. Do you not think?

No hating, I'm British and I just find it odd how fighters who have proved themselves (Burns) taken the hard fights and done everything right are still not as highly rated as Mitchell, Brook etc. The same people who were all over Kevins nuts are the same people who have now gone very quiet. On ******** boxing i swear to god Brook is like the 2nd coming of jesus, they believe if he fights in America he'll be able to walk on water to get there. Also i see that D-Mize say DeGale won Gold as far as im concerned that doesn't mean your automatically Lennox Lewis, He lost to a guy who didn't even make the Olympic team. The Olympic boxing concept is corrupt, massively flawed and means **** all in the scheme of things in the pro's.

Another thread hating on British boxing, the reason why our fighters get hyped is the same reason every young boxer from american gets hyped....we have a history of great boxers. Take british boxing away from the world and you'll be left with a pretty boring ass sport.

Mormeck. He has a few wins that are better than Chisora. Mormeck at Cruiser means very little, the cruiserweight resume of haye means very little and the Cruiserweight division itself is the ugly ****cunt sister of all other weight divisions. Chisora is Hayes best win, but i respect your opinion, thought you were going to say Valuev.

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After the Mitchell defeat, one i saw coming I feel way too many British fighters are overrated and fancied for no apparent reason. Take Mitchell, we know he sometimes lacks heart and work ethic but yet people still talk about him like he's world class. Regardless of wether he trained hard enough for Katsidis a man with supposdly that much talent should surley beat a man who evreytime he's stepped up to an opponent of any class gets school and/or stopped. In contrast I believe Burns is underrated, people always bet against him but the fact is he's a very dynamic fighter who can go on to compete against the best in America. To join Mitchell you have Kell Brook Believes his own hype and has fought opponents he's never had to get out of 2nd gear to beat. Looked average at best against Carson Jones who you all picked to be murdered by Brook's feather fisted hands. Haye, Cleverley, DeGale are all hughly overrated just as Khan and Naseem were once before their souls were taken by a schooling here and a knockout or two there. Hayes record at any weight is appaling, embarrassing when the best guy you have fought is Chisora after 3 years of parading round like the reincarnation of Ali. The real Daddy of British Boxing is Froch hes proved himself taken tough fights lost, comeback and never shyed away from fighting away from home. Apart from him and to a point Ricky Burns British boxing at the moment is a bit of a joke. Cue Ricky Hattons comeback. Nice fishing, Princess :lol1: Now work on your spelling & come back another time.

Are you even British? Because it would appear you don't know what you're talking about... Mitchell receives some hype from his showing against Prescott, Murray & Johanneson. The only time he really looked vulnerable was in the Kats fight and people put that down to a lack of experience and not knowing what to do when hurt. Evidently, this has not changed. DeGale is an Olympic gold medallist. Kell Brook has conquered the domestic scene, beat some good European opposition and is now on his way to the top. He received a lot of attention after the Hatton win and the only thing the Jones fight highlighted is the fact Brook needs a strength & conditioning coach. Cleverly is a disgrace and does not deserve to be holding a world title. He looked promising early on and had a big win against Murat, stagnated since and has regressed. He's the Welsh fighter now so he's always going to have a lot of publicity. Haye's best win is not Chisora - educate yourself. British boxing has always been like this, the term hype-job is synonymous with our fighters. It won't change until they get matched harder early on. Please tell me who Hayes best win is against then please?

I'd actually have no problem with Haye if he just stayed more active and give us fans the fights we want to see. He'd probably win most/all but I'd love to see him in there with Povetkin, Chambers (Who I strongly believe beat Adamek with one hand) even Arreola, hell even the Pulev/Ustinov loser I think would be interesting. Its easy to say he wins by K.O and he probably would but IMO hes a vulnerable fighter whose best win is probably Chisora. I think all the above are a cut above Delboy. If he took Povetkins 0 for example, I'd be on the hypetrain and begging to see Haye vs Vitali before he hits 70 :lol1: yeah thats what boils me abt haye he could and would beat those guys but he hasnt got the time for them imo he has a huge chance to build and make his legacy abit more unforgettable haye could be busy for at least 3-4 years without a klitschko

I just hope burns doesn't fight Scott Harrison although I would watch it.

yeah i agree with what you said i still cant help but like haye and khan tho but haye annoys me more khan has the skill but he just sees red rather than stay on the outside but on the whole we have some outstanding talent coming through two guys who have just had 3 and 4 fights respectively are mitchell smith and brad saunders they are the **** listen out for those you will be hearing alot about those two I'd actually have no problem with Haye if he just stayed more active and give us fans the fights we want to see. He'd probably win most/all but I'd love to see him in there with Povetkin, Chambers (Who I strongly believe beat Adamek with one hand) even Arreola, hell even the Pulev/Ustinov loser I think would be interesting. Its easy to say he wins by K.O and he probably would but IMO hes a vulnerable fighter whose best win is probably Chisora. I think all the above are a cut above Delboy. If he took Povetkins 0 for example, I'd be on the hypetrain and begging to see Haye vs Vitali before he hits 70 :lol1:

Gary Buckland? :haha: :haha: Not everyone is going to be world championship material. In fact no I am not going to try defend him as he is pretty awful & I probably shouldn't of listed him though I do believe he has shown signs of improvement :lol1:

British boxing is strong. We may not have the best middleweight in the world but we have a damn strong middleweight scene in Lee, Macklin, Barker, Murray with Billy Joe Saunders and some other decent looking prospects coming through. We have a lot of really exciting prospects including David Price and how about Carl Frampton who just destroyed a very useful two time world champion in Steve Molitor? Scott Quigg is another. Lee Selby is ever improving. Lee Haskins is another whose improving leaps & bounds. Ricky Burns is a fantastic world champion. Ola Afolabi is a very good cruiserweight who keeps getting robbed. We also have Kell Brook, Gavin Rees, Gary Buckland, Bellew & Groves about to explode on the world scene. British boxing is doing great but I agree most Brits are the wrong ones to be hyping I.E Haye who has no intention of anything but a Klitschko payday and Khan whose sh1t when we should be giving more credit to the warriors in Froch, Burns and the decent talent emerging. Then again every country has its hype-jobs by the dozen. yeah i agree with what you said i still cant help but like haye and khan tho but haye annoys me more khan has the skill but he just sees red rather than stay on the outside but on the whole we have some outstanding talent coming through two guys who have just had 3 and 4 fights respectively are mitchell smith and brad saunders they are the **** listen out for those you will be hearing alot about those two

British boxing is strong. We may not have the best middleweight in the world but we have a damn strong middleweight scene in Lee, Macklin, Barker, Murray with Billy Joe Saunders and some other decent looking prospects coming through. We have a lot of really exciting prospects including David Price and how about Carl Frampton who just destroyed a very useful two time world champion in Steve Molitor? Scott Quigg is another. Lee Selby is ever improving. Lee Haskins is another whose improving leaps & bounds. Ricky Burns is a fantastic world champion. Ola Afolabi is a very good cruiserweight who keeps getting robbed. We also have Kell Brook, Gavin Rees, Gary Buckland, Bellew & Groves about to explode on the world scene. British boxing is doing great but I agree most Brits are the wrong ones to be hyping I.E Haye who has no intention of anything but a Klitschko payday and Khan whose sh1t when we should be giving more credit to the warriors in Froch, Burns and the decent talent emerging. Then again every country has its hype-jobs by the dozen.