Ive seen some posters who think you have to jump divisions to be p4p#1

How did he drain Dawson? Moving down an extra 7 lbs for a big guy (6'3, 190 lbs+ fight night) is a lot to handle. He hadn't fought at 168 in over 6 years.

Only because Roy Jones got KOed and Floyd Mayweather didn't have the resume to take #1 For me, draining the fighter a weight class above you to fight is not p4p caliber at all. He's a very good fighter but he has 3 big wins, 2 if you take into account Dawson looked dead at the weight. How did he drain Dawson?

Only because Roy Jones got KOed and Floyd Mayweather didn't have the resume to take #1 For me, draining the fighter a weight class above you to fight is not p4p caliber at all. He's a very good fighter but he has 3 big wins, 2 if you take into account Dawson looked dead at the eight. This right here. If you wanna be great you have to set challenges for yourself. Dawson tried to do it but failed cause his body didnt allow him too. I would not put Ward over Floyd cause Floyd has accomplished more in more divisions. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

People look at accomplishments and dominating different weight divisions is a pretty big accomplishment. But PBP's post on the first page pretty much summed it all up. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

so Froch and Abraham are sh1t now? Now?! They have always been ****. Lets have a fight with 2 fighters I've already dominated just because they have a belt. Gtfo with that ****

Only because Roy Jones got KOed and Floyd Mayweather didn't have the resume to take #1 For me, draining the fighter a weight class above you to fight is not p4p caliber at all. He's a very good fighter but he has 3 big wins, 2 if you take into account Dawson looked dead at the weight.

It's better thinking than your warped views. You seem to think ward should unify with guys that are **** just because they have a meaningless belt. so Froch and Abraham are sh1t now?

It's better thinking than your warped views. You seem to think ward should unify with guys that are **** just because they have a meaningless belt.

I agree but if you have a guy that's dominated top competition in multiple divisions versus a guy that dominated top competition in one division, the guy thats dominated multiple divisions should be ranked higher, all else equal. Let's look at the Ring Magazine P4P kings: 1990-1992: Chavez - multiple division champion 1993-1995: Whitaker - multiple division champion 1996,1999, 2003: Jones Jr. - multiple division champion 1998: De La Hoya - multiple division champion 2000-2001: Shane Mosley - multiple division champion 2004: Bernard Hopkins - middleweight champion 2005-present: Mayweather/Pacquiao - multiple division champions The only p4p king that wasn't a multiple division champion at the time he was ranked was Hopkins and he had to make an unprecedented run with 20 title defenses in order to claim that title. this right here ^^^

Hagler had like 67 fights and won over 60 of them plus had a ko ratin of ova 80%. Dis Ward guy beat a few good guys ova da span of 2 years, it ain't even close to bein da same. Some of da names on Hagla's resume are considered atg's while da names on Ward's resume is no where to be found in the boxin greats archives. Hagla was knocking guys out while dis Ward hugs and headbutts most of em to death. well ward isnt retired nor are the fighters he beat so how would any of them be atg's?

it really depends on the competition, may i ask how high did you have joe calzaghe in your p4p list before he retired? #2.................

your op doesn't allude to that. he's fought the best in his division, and won. he's shown he's got a great skillset. and he's defended his territory with an iron fist. if moving up in weight isn't a big deal, then p4p means nothing. really, with the exception of maybe his brother, nobody in boxing beats him. this is true..........wlad #1 p4p..

Hagler had like 67 fights and won over 60 of them plus had a ko ratin of ova 80%. Dis Ward guy beat a few good guys ova da span of 2 years, it ain't even close to bein da same. Some of da names on Hagla's resume are considered atg's while da names on Ward's resume is no where to be found in the boxin greats archives. Hagla was knocking guys out while dis Ward hugs and headbutts most of em to death.

Well sometimes the best fighters are in other divisions Yup, my thoughts exactly! Really depends on how much talent there is in a division.

Where did this thinking come from because it is false...All you have to do is keep fighting the best and win,show a great skill set and defend your territory with an iron fist...Hopkins was the p4p king and he had 1 damn home 160....YOU DO NOT HAVE TO FIGHT IN MULTIPLE DIVISIONS TO BE THE BEST... It really depends on the competition, may I ask how high did you have Joe Calzaghe in your P4P list before he retired?

No the heavyweight division is dreadful...his dominance has gotten him in the top 10 tho your op doesn't allude to that. he's fought the best in his division, and won. he's shown he's got a great skillset. and he's defended his territory with an iron fist. if moving up in weight isn't a big deal, then p4p means nothing. really, with the exception of maybe his brother, nobody in boxing beats him.

awesome. so you must wladimir p4p 1 right? No the heavyweight division is dreadful...his dominance has gotten him in the top 10 tho

awesome. so you must wladimir p4p 1 right?

I agree but if you have a guy that's dominated top competition in multiple divisions versus a guy that dominated top competition in one division, the guy thats dominated multiple divisions should be ranked higher, all else equal. Let's look at the Ring Magazine P4P kings: 1990-1992: Chavez - multiple division champion 1993-1995: Whitaker - multiple division champion 1996,1999, 2003: Jones Jr. - multiple division champion 1998: De La Hoya - multiple division champion 2000-2001: Shane Mosley - multiple division champion 2004: Bernard Hopkins - middleweight champion 2005-present: Mayweather/Pacquiao - multiple division champions The only p4p king that wasn't a multiple division champion at the time he was ranked was Hopkins and he had to make an unprecedented run with 20 title defenses in order to claim that title. great post.....

Well sometimes the best fighters are in other divisions