Ahhhmmm well let's see Cotto had his turn at JW but turned it down, said something about not being ready or w/e you can look it up somewhere. This is moot cause they eventually fought tho no? Zab was 2 or 3. Margacheato was told "later would be greater" floyd was trying to cut ties with Bob Arum at the time... But Margacheato is a bum so that's also moot now no? Let's not turn this into a mayweather thread tho.
lol not ready. i guess floyd wasn't ready when he asked for a sh-it load of cash to fight a 140 pound cotto. you can look that up if you want to see the truth.
floyd turned down cotto dude. how many times have we gone over this? he asked for 10 million dollars which is the same amount he got vs delahoya later. zab wasn't considered number 2 after losing to a journeyman and everyone knew baldomir was a journeyman and an easy mark even though he was linear. margarito was rated number 1 for 3 years and mayweather went into witness protection mode when he was mentioned.
Ahhhmmm well let's see Cotto had his turn at JW but turned it down, said something about not being ready or w/e you can look it up somewhere. This is moot cause they eventually fought tho no? Zab was 2 or 3. Margacheato was told "later would be greater" floyd was trying to cut ties with Bob Arum at the time... But Margacheato is a bum so that's also moot now no? Let's not turn this into a mayweather thread tho.
In your comments about Mayweather, you forgot to mention that, from 2002 to 2006, he fought the Ring Magazine Lightweight champion, Jose Luis Castillo twice, fought Zab Judah, who was considered number 2 at welterweight, fought Carlos Baldomir, who was considered number 1 at welterweight and also fought and destroyed Arturo Gatti. Calzaghe's entire resume didn't have as many quality fighters on it as Floyd's did during these four years.
You also failed to mention that, during those four years, Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Kostya Tyszu and Ricky Hatton all turned down offers to fight Mayweather.
I don't know why, but I sometimes find the ignorance of the people on this message board to be shocking.
floyd turned down cotto dude. how many times have we gone over this? he asked for 10 million dollars which is the same amount he got vs delahoya later. zab wasn't considered number 2 after losing to a journeyman and everyone knew baldomir was a journeyman and an easy mark even though he was linear. margarito was rated number 1 for 3 years and mayweather went into witness protection mode when he was mentioned.
he should be in the hall of shame with the amount of bums he fought.
In your comments about Mayweather, you forgot to mention that, from 2002 to 2006, he fought the Ring Magazine Lightweight champion, Jose Luis Castillo twice, fought Zab Judah, who was considered number 2 at welterweight, fought Carlos Baldomir, who was considered number 1 at welterweight and also fought and destroyed Arturo Gatti. Calzaghe's entire resume didn't have as many quality fighters on it as Floyd's did during these four years.
You also failed to mention that, during those four years, Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Kostya Tyszu and Ricky Hatton all turned down offers to fight Mayweather.
I don't know why, but I sometimes find the ignorance of the people on this message board to be shocking.
Yes or no will Joe be a 1st ballot Hall of famer in 2013.......vote and discuss
No! If he had fought rematch against Hopkins and beaten him soundly and then fought and beat Chad Dawson, I would say he deserved some consideration. However, when you fight the likes of Tocker Pudwill and Contender Series losers, you don't even deserve consideration for the HOF.
do nothing for 13 years, disgrace boxing with early stoppages, fight a couple good fighters, get a controversial win and look terrible, retire while avoiding everyone else. no.
i have no issue with calzaghe getting in but hes not getting in on the strength of his resume alone. there are a lot of ppl out there with similar resumes or even better and they arent in.
There are people with much better resume's that aren't in.
i have no issue with calzaghe getting in but hes not getting in on the strength of his resume alone. there are a lot of ppl out there with similar resumes or even better and they arent in.
Of course he will. Just find where ever Floyd is on the atg list & place JC on the notch above. Easy $h1t.
u go a little too tardish for your own good sometimes.
dudes be coming at my neck when I mention Stallone getting in for those Rocky flicks :lol1:...dudes wanna go on about the dfferent category or whatever...GTFOH...Joe gets in as a 2 division world champion and the last man to hold the ring belts in 2 different classes at the same time....he was LHW and SMW champ at the same time...did Stallone accomplish that?...not even in his movie role....Joe gets in imo!! :boxing:
Sahn y'all need to chill with this "2 ring titles at same time" *****. Schematics... Ring's policy is to vacate once you move up in weight and/or win another title. Chill...
it's not the first time a reigning lineal champ won another in a diff division and it won't be the last.
In any case, Joe will definitely get in... 1st ballot idk ... maybe but he'll get it in
His resume is definitely better than Hatton's. And Corrales probably.
Not too sure it's better than Castillo's. I'd probably lean on Castillo but I'm going off the top of my head.
Hatton beat Tszyu, Collazo, Maglianggi, Lazcano. He did beat Urango and Maussa, but those were ehhh wins really. I don't rate the Castillo win, because Castillo wasn't really good anymore by 2007.
Corrales beat Garcia, Gainer, Casamayor, Freitas, and Castillo. He also beat Manfredy, but that was an ehhh win really.
Calzaghe beat Hopkins, Kessler, Lacy, and Bika. He did beat Brewer and Mitchell, but those were ehhh wins really. Also I don't rate the Eubank win since he was basically done and wasn't a good fight anymore.
I think Corrales by beating Casamayor and Castillo, and taking Freitas' 0, along with solid/decent wins over Garcia and Gainer, did more than Calzaghe. Hatton and Calzaghe in terms of best wins I think are close, with Hatton's win over Tszyu being a really big win, and Calzaghe had a very questionable win over Hopkins, and a very good win over Kessler. I'd probably edge Calzaghe over Hatton, but not over Corrales or Castillo.
Castillo without a doubt has better wins than Calzaghe in my opinion. He beat Bazan, Johnston, Lazcano, Casamayor, and Corrales, and should arguably have a win over Floyd too. Castillo should get in the HOF to me.
He'll get in, and I even think Ricky Hatton and Carl Froch will get in at some point.
Calzaghe's best and notable wins were Hopkins, Kessler, Lacy, and Bika.
His resume really isn't any better than Hatton, Corrales, or Castillo though, who are questionable HOF on if they'll get in.
I think him being lineal in 2 weight classes helps, even though his resume is rather weak for the accolades he gets from his fans.
His resume is definitely better than Hatton's. And Corrales probably.
Not too sure it's better than Castillo's. I'd probably lean on Castillo but I'm going off the top of my head.
He'll get in, and I even think Ricky Hatton and Carl Froch will get in at some point.
Calzaghe's best and notable wins were Hopkins, Kessler, Lacy, and Bika.
His resume really isn't any better than Hatton, Corrales, or Castillo though, who are questionable HOF on if they'll get in.
I think him being lineal in 2 weight classes helps, even though his resume is rather weak for the accolades he gets from his fans.