The people who think weight made no diffrence are in denial

Roy jones, Oscar de la Hoya, and a plethora of other fighters have tried to drop weight and all ended up looking like sh1t by either quiting or getting stopped. How many times do we need to see stuff like this before we realize weight is a huge factor. It's a reoccurring theme that happens everytime a fighter moves down in weight when he shouldn't. The only exception that I've seen is Glenn Johnson going back to 168.

Rome, why are you trying so hard to argue against the weight-draining comments? It's not an excuse, it's a fact. Even if Dawson made the weigh no problem and was absolutely fine at the weight, you still think Ward gets full credit? :lol1: Yes I give Ward full credit for his masterclass performance against Dawson...

first of all chad himself said he was eating he just had to diet so he was eating and we do know he would win at any weight from the dominating performance. The only reason Dawson started looking bad after round three is because he got HURT. You are spinning it probably because you picked Chad to win and want to justify being wrong. The whole camp said he was fine so why go to the built in excuse that Scully hates so much. If it was at 178 he might have survived a little longer that's it. Ward has a superior style. And all you poster trying to make excuses for him are pathetic. Just admit you where wrong for a change? How about that? Ward did what he had to do, but don't act like Dawson wasnt affected by the weight loss at all so that you could preserve Pacquiaos excuse for draining Cotto. Fooh moron.

Watch this fight again,I really don't believe weight had a damn thing to do with this fight..I think Ward wore Dawson down by mauling Dawson..This was a great performance from Ward,it was not like every punch made Dawson wobble or effected him..Only when hit flush was Dawson really hurt,this is the reason I don't understand why people keep talking about weight..I think anybody getting hit with those kinda shots would get drop or hurt... But I'll have to say Ward is a dirty azz fighter...Dude must have the B-Hop hand book of boxing...

I give Ward the credit he deserves, and that credit is "he beat a Dawson that was drained" Would he have beat Dawson at 175? Probably. But the facts are he beat him at 168.

4 respectable posters just ran through your bum logic bro. The bold is all I'm saying. It did have an effect on Dawson. But why lie to yourself & even act like it wasn't there before the fight?? I knew Ward would win & I know Ward beats him at any weight. I take nothing away from Ward's win. Dawson bought the beating on himself. Saying weight played a part of this fight is taking away from Ward,weather you mean to or not...I respect you and other respectable poster who disagree with me...You guys are great and I love debating issues with yall...

Rome, there's a difference between a reason a guy lost and a reason a guy can't take a punch. That's what Bush is saying. The weight is why Dawson couldn't take the punches and got stopped, acknowledging that is not an excuse, it's a fact. Dawson was stopped because he was drained, at 175 he gets his ass kicked but he isn't hitting the canvas every time Ward punches him on the chin. Why is everyone acting like it was glancing punches that drop our hurt Dawson?? Dawson was getting hit with solid flash shots...I'm not even a Ward fan, but damn he does not deserve this...

I get that bro..But as pros nobody is going to say well we did not have rondo..Different sport as well...Dawson wanted the fight and knew what he needed to do..We all knew(Dawson knew this as well) that the weight could be an issue that's on Dawson...For anybody to come now to talk about weight IMO sounds like an excuse tbh.. 4 respectable posters just ran through your bum logic bro. The bold is all I'm saying. It did have an effect on Dawson. But why lie to yourself & even act like it wasn't there before the fight?? I knew Ward would win & I know Ward beats him at any weight. I take nothing away from Ward's win. Dawson bought the beating on himself.

Do me a favor..Post the definition of excuse, then read ya post back... Learn about weight classes in boxing, then holla back.

If it sounds like the same thing to you, then you aren't that bright. I believe Ward would win the fight, am a fan of his, think he's the best fighter pfp in the world. But for someone to not consider, (or in your case obviously have no clue how weight works) is laughable. Chad made his bed & had to sleep in it. He was never great to begin with, but he couldn't take a shots. But being dropped by Adamek is not the same as being dropped by Ward, 3 times & quitting in a weight class he hadn't been at in years. I never said that Dawson lost because he was weight drained. I said he got dominated so badly because he was drained. Big, big difference. Anyhow being as "It all sounds the same to you", there's really nothing more to discuss. Do me a favor..Post the definition of excuse, then read ya post back...

if the Celtics play the Heat WITHOUT Rondo....big chance they'll lose...very big!!...with Rondo that chance becomes smaller...they still might lose but they might be in the game a lil' longer than without him...the Heat will still beat the Celtics atm...regardless!!...but Rondo's play can determine if its by 1 or 20....thats what the homie Bush is saying with the weight thing my dude...nothing he's saying comes across like a excuse imo...thats just me I get that bro..But as pros nobody is going to say well we did not have rondo..Different sport as well...Dawson wanted the fight and knew what he needed to do..We all knew(Dawson knew this as well) that the weight could be an issue that's on Dawson...For anybody to come now to talk about weight IMO sounds like an excuse tbh..

Sounds like the same thing to me...Your making excuses about why Dawson got his azz kick are ya not??Well that's what I'm talking about then..So unless you can not read,or have poor comprehensive skills then you should know what the fuuck I'm talking about homie... I'm talking about the fact Dawson got his azz kick,and weight was not the reason why it happen...Nobody in this thread even talks to the fact that Dawson was rocked before at a higher weight,and every time he was rocked..It was against a young fresh fighter who was fresh enough to land consistently to make a dent in that Chin of Dawson's...Pascal has always had bad stamina,had it been better he would have put Dawson's lights out..Adamek drop Dawson and rocked him a few times..Adamek is slow as dirt,but he was young and put his shot together... Yes your making excuse about Dawson's lost..Which is what the Fuuck I'm talking bout...Is it a lil more clear what I'm talking about now?? if the Celtics play the Heat WITHOUT Rondo....big chance they'll lose...very big!!...with Rondo that chance becomes smaller...they still might lose but they might be in the game a lil' longer than without him...the Heat will still beat the Celtics atm...regardless!!...but Rondo's play can determine if its by 1 or 20....thats what the homie Bush is saying with the weight thing my dude...nothing he's saying comes across like a excuse imo...thats just me

Sounds like the same thing to me...Your making excuses about why Dawson got his azz kick are ya not??Well that's what I'm talking about then..So unless you can not read,or have poor comprehensive skills then you should know what the fuuck I'm talking about homie... I'm talking about the fact Dawson got his azz kick,and weight was not the reason why it happen...Nobody in this thread even talks to the fact that Dawson was rocked before at a higher weight,and every time he was rocked..It was against a young fresh fighter who was fresh enough to land consistently to make a dent in that Chin of Dawson's...Pascal has always had bad stamina,had it been better he would have put Dawson's lights out..Adamek drop Dawson and rocked him a few times..Adamek is slow as dirt,but he was young and put his shot together... Yes your making excuse about Dawson's lost..Which is what the Fuuck I'm talking bout...Is it a lil more clear what I'm talking about now?? Rome, there's a difference between a reason a guy lost and a reason a guy can't take a punch. That's what Bush is saying. The weight is why Dawson couldn't take the punches and got stopped, acknowledging that is not an excuse, it's a fact. Dawson was stopped because he was drained, at 175 he gets his ass kicked but he isn't hitting the canvas every time Ward punches him on the chin.

Sounds like the same thing to me...Your making excuses about why Dawson got his azz kick are ya not??Well that's what I'm talking about then..So unless you can not read,or have poor comprehensive skills then you should know what the fuuck I'm talking about homie... I'm talking about the fact Dawson got his azz kick,and weight was not the reason why it happen...Nobody in this thread even talks to the fact that Dawson was rocked before at a higher weight,and every time he was rocked..It was against a young fresh fighter who was fresh enough to land consistently to make a dent in that Chin of Dawson's...Pascal has always had bad stamina,had it been better he would have put Dawson's lights out..Adamek drop Dawson and rocked him a few times..Adamek is slow as dirt,but he was young and put his shot together... Yes your making excuse about Dawson's lost..Which is what the Fuuck I'm talking bout...Is it a lil more clear what I'm talking about now?? If it sounds like the same thing to you, then you aren't that bright. I believe Ward would win the fight, am a fan of his, think he's the best fighter pfp in the world. But for someone to not consider, (or in your case obviously have no clue how weight works) is laughable. Chad made his bed & had to sleep in it. He was never great to begin with, but he couldn't take a shots. But being dropped by Adamek is not the same as being dropped by Ward, 3 times & quitting in a weight class he hadn't been at in years. I never said that Dawson lost because he was weight drained. I said he got dominated so badly because he was drained. Big, big difference. Anyhow being as "It all sounds the same to you", there's really nothing more to discuss.

This was a stupid fight, a dumb offer by Dawson which Ward accept happily, Had Ward wanted this fight, wanted Dawson belt and then asked him to drop to say 170/171 I would critise him but he didn't.

Ward dominates Dawson at any weight bottom line!

Weight is not an excuse for Chad losing , its an explanation of why he lost so badly , there is a difference ! Nah it all sounds like excuses to me...There is no difference..If you are saying there is a reason someone lost(I don't care how bad)because of a reason other then the fighter who shared the ring,then it's an excuse plain and simple...That don't sit right with me,sorry...

Sounds like the same thing to me...Your making excuses about why Dawson got his azz kick are ya not??Well that's what I'm talking about then..So unless you can not read,or have poor comprehensive skills then you should know what the fuuck I'm talking about homie... I'm talking about the fact Dawson got his azz kick,and weight was not the reason why it happen...Nobody in this thread even talks to the fact that Dawson was rocked before at a higher weight,and every time he was rocked..It was against a young fresh fighter who was fresh enough to land consistently to make a dent in that Chin of Dawson's...Pascal has always had bad stamina,had it been better he would have put Dawson's lights out..Adamek drop Dawson and rocked him a few times..Adamek is slow as dirt,but he was young and put his shot together... Yes your making excuse about Dawson's lost..Which is what the Fuuck I'm talking bout...Is it a lil more clear what I'm talking about now?? Weight is not an excuse for Chad losing , its an explanation of why he lost so badly , there is a difference !

Whether weight made any difference or not is completely irrelevant. Chad is the one who offered to fight at 168, and the L on his resume isn't any less of an L. It is relevant. If he was drained, he has an excuse and can go forward, though he'll carry some scars. If he wasn't, he's going nowhere, maybe go hang out with Miranda and Allan Green, get some pointers.

Pascal has very heavy hands and is built like a tank. Hopkins had to get up a couple of times against Pascal and definitely hits harder than Ward so not sure what your point is. Read friend...My point is not a hard one to understand...