A Win-Win for Chavez Jr

sorry for this but martinez is no modern day great i know i might ruffle a few feathers here but ........ who has he fought williams twice,pavlik,barker,macklin and dzinziruk even a draw with cintron he is no modern day great

There is absolutely no shame in losing to a top 5 fighter in the world for Chavez. Either way, he fights well next month. IMO, ts is right. If he wins, his stock soars through the roof. If he loses (as long as it's competitive), his stock remains & the respect he gains will be good in the long run. After all Martinez has wins over Punisher & Pavlik. It's not like Chavez was fighting a damn welterweight fringe contender or some $h!t.

I agree 100% with contenders

It's a win-win situation to a point, but if Junior REALLY wants to earn that respect, then he needs to win, and win in a big devastating way. If he loses a close, maybe controversial fight, then they'll do an immediate rematch and both fighters get another big payday...but that's really the only "win" for Chavez in a loss in this fight. If he wins, he better either KO Martinez, or win a wide (non-controversial) decision. If he wins by close scores, or a split/majority decision, he gets no respect. His critics will continue to say that he continues to benefit from unfair judging and that his size advantage over other middleweights is the only thing that keeps him in fights. If loses by a landslide or is KO'd, his career would be all but over. Come to think of it, even just a big win over Martinez wouldn't be enough to win over his haters. About the only real thing that Junior could do to really make his own legacy as a fighter and get SOMEWHAT out of his father's shadow, would be to follow up the win with a successful campaign at 168...but that's a whole other topic.

i agree..............martinez beating chavez jr doesn't really do much for him except he gets his wbc belt back and of course the money he will be getting from this fight should be good too. After martinez beats chavez jr i wouldn't mind him fighting the winner of ward vs dawson.. It does wonders for his career.....he beats a "rising star" who is almost 20 pounds heavier than him, 10 years younger than him and a guy that a bunch of people think is going to KO him. If Sergio breaks him to pieces, it'll show the world the monster that he is.

Actually you can, if someone challenges you to a fight and then you use excessive force you are liable for the damages suffered. By "you can't" I mean you CAN'T! meaning you will be a weak azz puzzy and people will treat you as such. Legally, that's a whole different subject. Stay on topic, neeguh.

**** no, from a pure man to man pov no chance, but I say it's a win win from a boxing/ sports point of view if he loses he should at least get credit for stepping to the plate and if he wins then he at least establishes himself as a FIGHTER not just the son of a legend From a boxing/sport point of view it benefits him but him as a Man is the more important part of his boxing career. If he is crushed then so to is his career. Except for the "lawsuit" part. You can't challenge someone and then sue them for beating you up. LOL Retarded logic. Actually you can, if someone challenges you to a fight and then you use excessive force you are liable for the damages suffered.

Putting myself in his shoes no, the loss would humiliate me. Look at things this way, if David Haye groped you girlfriend then slapped her, you challenged him to a fight and he beat you the fuck down. Would you be happy about the money you gain in a lawsuit along with people saying ''Hey you were pretty brave'' or would you feel ashamed that when someone challenged your manhood you could not do anything about it. Except for the "lawsuit" part. You can't challenge someone and then sue them for beating you up. LOL Retarded logic. Take it as it is, Sergy has been talking a lot of poo poo and it's up to chavez to shut him up. If he fails to shut him up, his manhood will be in question. I can already feel my IQ of -162 dropping. :davil2: eye iz muhd brah.

Putting myself in his shoes no, the loss would humiliate me. Look at things this way, if David Haye groped you girlfriend then slapped her, you challenged him to a fight and he beat you the fuck down. Would you be happy about the money you gain in a lawsuit along with people saying ''Hey you were pretty brave'' or would you feel ashamed that when someone challenged your manhood you could not do anything about it. **** no, from a pure man to man pov no chance, but I say it's a win win from a boxing/ sports point of view if he loses he should at least get credit for stepping to the plate and if he wins then he at least establishes himself as a FIGHTER not just the son of a legend

so if he loses in your view he does'nt gain anything? Putting myself in his shoes no, the loss would humiliate me. Look at things this way, if David Haye groped you girlfriend then slapped her, you challenged him to a fight and he beat you the fuck down. Would you be happy about the money you gain in a lawsuit along with people saying ''Hey you were pretty brave'' or would you feel ashamed that when someone challenged your manhood you could not do anything about it.

Only a boy or woman would think this is a ''win win'' for Chavez. If another man is telling you how you're living off your fathers name, outright disrespecting you, dismissing you as a boy etc. Winning is the only option. Money or what other people say shouldn't matter, your personal pride as a Man is on the line. so if he loses in your view he does'nt gain anything?

Only a boy or woman would think this is a ''win win'' for Chavez. If another man is telling you how you're living off your fathers name, outright disrespecting you, dismissing you as a boy etc. Winning is the only option. Money or what other people say shouldn't matter, your personal pride as a Man is on the line.

I don't view him as a good champion now, and what happend with the WBC was ****ed up but who honestly expected for this fight to even be made, not me a win for martinez is a big **** you to the WBC and all the belt shops, but for chavez it's at least something to build a small piece of cred for himself as a fighter That's your view, girly. He will gain respect from some and lose respect from others. As with any other boxer, this will never change. (you win some, you lose some) As long as Chavez Jr. wins, nothing else matters. All we can do is type poopoo and act like the retarded angry girlies that we all are. BTW, Who else is on their period today? :davil2:

By talking this fight he already won.. Now is time for Broner and Canelo to do the same

Ge might get respect from taking the fight (not that much since that belt actually belongs to Martinez and we all know it) but if he loses he gets no respect whatsoever, it just means that he's not such a good champion. EDIT: And Canelo sucks, he might have talent but facing guys like shot Cintron, absolutely shot Mosley, Alfonso Gomez, and now a LWW he's not going to get any respect. I agree with you about canelo, he's in a loaded weight class and has'nt fought anyone who is a threat, so my question for you is at the moment who do you respect more?

Ge might get respect from taking the fight (not that much since that belt actually belongs to Martinez and we all know it) but if he loses he gets no respect whatsoever, it just means that he's not such a good champion. I don't view him as a good champion now, and what happend with the WBC was ****ed up but who honestly expected for this fight to even be made, not me a win for martinez is a big **** you to the WBC and all the belt shops, but for chavez it's at least something to build a small piece of cred for himself as a fighter

He's never gonna be on anyone's p4p list but and fighting the best is "supposed" to be what its about. But how many guys with belts legitimatley are willing to do that when they are a legit money draw. In comparison to canelo where there a bunch of legit 154lb guys who can give him a fight, Chavez is taking on the best right now that's why I can at least respect the guy for taking the fight Ge might get respect from taking the fight (not that much since that belt actually belongs to Martinez and we all know it) but if he loses he gets no respect whatsoever, it just means that he's not such a good champion. EDIT: And Canelo sucks, he might have talent but facing guys like shot Cintron, absolutely shot Mosley, Alfonso Gomez, and now a LWW he's not going to get any respect.

That respect thing is gone. Now as a "legit" world champion he should beat the best ... if he loses, then he's not that good, period. Without a belt then it would be that win-win situation that you're saying, but as the champ that's gone. He's never gonna be on anyone's p4p list but and fighting the best is "supposed" to be what its about. But how many guys with belts legitimatley are willing to do that when they are a legit money draw. In comparison to canelo where there a bunch of legit 154lb guys who can give him a fight, Chavez is taking on the best right now that's why I can at least respect the guy for taking the fight

The sport can't survive without fans! Unfortunately, it is NOT a win-win situation for Chavez Jr. The anti-Chavez will never respect the guy, even if he fcks them anally like he did me. I'm still an anti-chavez. Win or lose, Chavez Jr. will always be "a legend's son" If anything, this will only be another W/L to Chavez Jr. resume. Chavez Jr. should let us all non-believers suck his c0ck. I won't change my view of him otherwise.

Come on bro, like many people and Martinez have said, if he wasn't ready why did he have a belt? The loss will only expose him as the fraud that he is. A dude holding a belt who lost as soon as he stepped up to the elite level. I agree that he shouldnt have had the belt but thats how is goes with the corrupt belts like WBC,WBO,ect. I still think the fight was made at the right time.