If Alvarez doesn't want to fight any 154lbs contendors...

Yeah, it's Ryan Rhodes during a time 154 was weak. Let's say I play devil's advocate. If he can beat the # (whatever) ranked JMW then, why not do it today? Because it was a weak win, that's why. Agreed. And even then, he wasn't fighting the top fighters. Rhodes was the only top ranked fighter he fought at that time, and ever.

I don't understand why everyone keeps mentioning Canelo facing Ryan Rhodes? Rhodes was a contender back when no one was fighting at 154 and the division wasn't as hot as it is now. The division has changed drastically since then to now. That's crystal clear. The division is not the same. How long will Canelo live off of fighting Rhodes as an excuse to why he can't fight a strong JMW today? Let me ask those that advocate Canelo fighting Rhodes as a legit fight a question. If Canelo was able to fight the #3 or #6 contender in Ryan Rhodes, or whatever ranking he was, a few years ago, then why can't he fight the #3 or #6 ranked fighter today (few years later)? Unless you're admitting that Ryan Rhodes was a joke, if he did it a few years ago, he should not only be able to do the same today, but more. Probably because that's the only fighter he's fought in the Top 5. But, at the end of the day, despite being a solid win for him, it is Ryan Rhodes. Beating him is hardly something to shout about.

The reason why they don't want the fight is because Chavez beats the $h!t out of ginger, period. that wouldn't be as much of an issue if he didn't work for somebody else.. i dont think canelo could beat JR, he doesnt have the craft to beat such a huge guy

Would like to see Alvarez fight in the middleweight division... Could be the next undisputed champ.

while i agree that chave and canelo have been babied and being fed easy opponents, to say they dont have skills is ridiculous

why would they want the fight? chavez jr works for somebody else... if those two are ever going to fight it wont be at this stage in their careers, where the money won't be that good, and the loser will take a step back that he'll possibly never regain. The reason why they don't want the fight is because Chavez beats the $h!t out of ginger, period.

Well eventually even his fans will demand that he fight the best in his Division Just like Martinez said about Chavez Jr during their face off, guys get HANDED THE TITLE then they become PUPPETS to PROTECT THEIR TITLE...why give these titles if they are not ready? Martinez was 100% when he said your suppose to learn and grow as a fighter on your way to a title, not just being HANDED ONE like Chavez Jr and Canelo and then it becomes all about "POLITICS" and "WHO MAKES THE MOST MONEY IS WHO I WILL FIGHT" as the PRIMARY EXCUSE as to why they don't want to fight the best in their Division :nonono: this is why I don't see Alvarez remaining on top because by handing him the title he missed all that valuable experience he could have gain while trying to reach the top...while someone like a Lara and Trout, guys who really have to earn their way to the top, they will SCHOOL Canelo when they do get in him in the RING because they will be much more PREPARED for Different Styles as Fighters who have faced Solid opponents as they work their way to the top GBP is selling his LOOK...NOT HIS SKILLS IN THE RING and to me a fighter like that will be exposes as soon as they step up competition and Oscar and GBP knows that so they continue to STALL

I'm almost positive without reading any posts that what I'm gonna say has been said already. I really do enjoy watching Canelo fight, but who has he fought at 154 again? Mosley, Gomez, Cintron, etc.. I want to see him at least fight someone ranked 1-3. Hell 1-6 will do for me, but a move to 160 for what? He hasn't beat anyone near the top of the 154 lbs. division.

oh yeah man, that's highly likely. who the hell is goldenboy going to allow to buy out their highest paid young fighter? their chief competitors? you are talking straight out of your ass and you're information far over your head. because the TS thinks that his "liking the fight" is reason to make it. when you get a canelo alvarez thread you get a lot of this :crying::crying: "i've only been watching boxing for a few years at best and i'm too impatient to wait for alvarez to be matched tough." I stated fights that I'd like to see on a boxing website. What's the big deal? The only person crying here is you.

oh yeah man, that's highly likely. who the hell is goldenboy going to allow to buy out their highest paid young fighter? their chief competitors? you are talking straight out of your ass and you're in far over your head. Was it highly likely that Floyd would buy out his contract with Top Rank? Something being difficult or unlikely doesn't mean it's impossible. I didn't even think Gamboa would get out of his contract. Stop catching feelings this is a debate, I must have upset you since you're throwing out insults. This is quite amusing.

not only that, brother, these guys are not that bright for the most part. canelo is very bright. the average boxer would literally be unable to read his own contract. i am not saying that boxers cannot read, i'm saying that legal contracts are a f#cking bear to read. they are in no position to move their own careers. hell, i deal with them all the time, and i need my lawyer to walk me through every f#cking step of any contract i sign. that's why he gets paid the big bucks. and that's why fighters work for promotors. I used to wonder why fighters would be so quick to mention their promoter/manager in their interviews. I'm realizing that it's just not enough to just be good in the ring. There are many aspects that boxers should try to educate themselves about and not put total control into the hands of their promoter/manager. Having success inside the ring doesn't always translate to the outside. Fighters seem to be on the bottom of Boxing's totem pole by their own volition.

most boxers in the top ten know less about the contenders than your average bscene posters to think that they control their careers in this capacity shows how little you know about boxing and the world of business in general. boxers fight and train. that is it. at the very best they're given a set of opponents out of whom they can select for their next fights, but again, that's only for the best of the best fighters with autonomy. if they don't like the opponents, then they dont fight. period. they dont say "i make the rules, i'm fighting this guy." /QUOTE] That's real ***** too. I remember Omar Figueroa saying that he doesn't watch boxing. Even as I type it, I still can't comprehend it lol. It's shocking that boxers could be more ignorant about their own profession than some fans. not only that, brother, these guys are not that bright for the most part. canelo is very bright. the average boxer would literally be unable to read his own contract. i am not saying that boxers cannot read, i'm saying that legal contracts are a f#cking bear to read. they are in no position to move their own careers. hell, i deal with them all the time, and i need my lawyer to walk me through every f#cking step of any contract i sign. that's why he gets paid the big bucks. and that's why fighters work for promotors.

If he's not going to fight anybody at 154, why would he fight anybody higher? because the TS thinks that his "liking the fight" is reason to make it. when you get a canelo alvarez thread you get a lot of this :crying::crying: "i've only been watching boxing for a few years at best and i'm too impatient to wait for alvarez to be matched tough."

most boxers in the top ten know less about the contenders than your average bscene posters to think that they control their careers in this capacity shows how little you know about boxing and the world of business in general. boxers fight and train. that is it. at the very best they're given a set of opponents out of whom they can select for their next fights, but again, that's only for the best of the best fighters with autonomy. if they don't like the opponents, then they dont fight. period. they dont say "i make the rules, i'm fighting this guy." /QUOTE] That's real ***** too. I remember Omar Figueroa saying that he doesn't watch boxing. Even as I type it, I still can't comprehend it lol. It's shocking that boxers could be more ignorant about their own profession than some fans.

If he's not going to fight anybody at 154, why would he fight anybody higher?

Btw deals can be bought out. oh yeah man, that's highly likely. who the hell is goldenboy going to allow to buy out their highest paid young fighter? their chief competitors? you are talking straight out of your ass and you're in far over your head.

You're a funny guy. How do you explain a guy like Yuriorkis Gamboa getting out of his contract with Arum and Top Rank? Is Gamboa a mainstream star? You claim Canelo is a star but yet he has no autonomy. True stars have a say so. the gamboa contract was bought out and that has to be agreed upon. it's a hell of a lot easier to buy the contract of a 30 year old featherweight with very little drawing power than it is to do that with a guy like canelo alvarez, who goldenboy will fight tooth and nail to keep. if goldenboy wanted to freeze canelo out they would. if canelo starts going to media complaining that he's being matched too soft, and if he starts refusing fights then he'll be put into hibernation. written into the language of the contract is almost certainly a period of many years and many fights where canelo is obligated to fight under goldenboy without the ability to sign with anybody else, and they will fight tooth and nail to keep him from fighting with anybody else during that period of time. he'll fight who they say, when they say it most boxers in the top ten know less about the contenders than your average bscene posters to think that they control their careers in this capacity shows how little you know about boxing and the world of business in general. boxers fight and train. that is it. at the very best they're given a set of opponents out of whom they can select for their next fights, but again, that's only for the best of the best fighters with autonomy. if they don't like the opponents, then they dont fight. period. they dont say "i make the rules, i'm fighting this guy." two fighters on the planet operate with that sort of power floyd mayweather and manny pacquiao. even manny runs the risk of being left out in the cold, as he's on a multi fight deal.

I cannot even begin to explain just how much the bold does not make sense. Chavez has problems making 160 because he is a big middleweight. Therefore if golden boy offered 156 2lb's over 154, they obviously didn't want the fight.:sad6: true...goldenboy offers a catchweight (an unrealistic one) to make it seem like they're putting an honest effort to make the fight happen, but they know chavez jr would most likely never agree to 156..better than gbp outright saying 'no' i guess..But I'm not sure if they offered anything higher than 156 lbs though...

Btw deals can be bought out.

they'd put him into hibernation. cold freeze. if he went out of his way to start running his mouth about something like that to the media they'd probably intentionally try and ruin his career. it would never happen. it's very obvious that canelo is doing his best to play ball with goldenboy. he's not a dumb guy. he knows his place. you clearly follow the top fighters only. (pacquiao and mayweather perhaps? that's where it sounds like you've developed your understanding of the workings of boxing.) there's some autonomy for top earning fighters with many years in the game. for canelo, an upstart with a long term deal with goldenboy there is virtually no autonomy. none you play ball with the guys who can make you a multimillionaire by the time you're 25. you don't piss them off. why is canelo a star / big name in boxing? one reason : goldenboy promotions. turning canelo into a star costs them millions. down the line it will pay of, when he's making seven or eight figures fighting floyd mayweather. You're a funny guy. How do you explain a guy like Yuriorkis Gamboa getting out of his contract with Arum and Top Rank? Is Gamboa a mainstream star? You claim Canelo is a star but yet he has no autonomy. True stars have a say so.