Do you hate catchweights...?

If a fighters signs to fight non of that bull**** matters. cotto fought margarito at a catch weight where was the outrage there? I love cotto BTW. ****in canelo has fought 5 cathweights nobody knows about. Catchweights happen very often. If both fighters agree then that's it. Fans who complain about that are excuse making *******. I agree, cotto agreed/signed the fight, for whatever reason (money, wanting to give the fans a fight they wanted, legacy, etc). That still doesnt excuse the b.s. on manny's part of demanding the catchweight to begin with tho, solely for the purpose of weakening his opponent. There was plenty of 'outrage' when cotto asked for the catchweight, he certainly isnt innocent there. But imo, consdiering all circumstances (margarito beating him with plaster before, margarito fighting at 147 previously, etc), a 152 pound catchweight was a non issue. Both fighters were comfortbale coming into the ring, and besides that, idgaf about the cheater, cotto should have been allowed brass knuckles as far as im concerned. edit: 153 lb catchweight, at that point cotto should have just scrapped the catchweight, not like it would make any difference, but i think he just wanted to stick it to the cheater who did him wrong as much as he could.

I don't like catch weights it's bad for boxing.

Depends on the circumstances. Some catchweights are silly (Pacquiao-Margarito) and others I think are fine (Martinez-Williams and Pacquiao-Cotto). I think a title being on the line coupled with the fighters ability to make weight are the two important factors.

I don't really care that much about them and they can make some interesting fights happen, although I certainly prefer to see two men fight in their best possible condition. I would also say I like to see a smaller guy really go for the gusto when challenging a bigger guy, to really prove how awesome they really are~ Saying fuck it and fighting a guy at his best weight is way more impressive than going well if you give up X he should still be alright.

I hate it when a boxer uses catchweights regularly. I prefer it when catchweights are offered to the smaller fighter, not when the smaller fighter demands a catchweight or there would be no fight. And that's the thing. But lets add the obvious. What about if the fighter is dubbed fighter of the decade, is supposed to be greater than the fighter he called out twice & he already destroyed the man?? It's not just the catchweight. It's the facts surrounding the entire ordeal. Why would a greater fighter need catchweights to fight a lesser fighter he already destroyed?? If we all say it out loud, we'll see how blatantly stupid it sounds.

I'm not a fan of catchweight fights personally, but I don't mind as long as fighters aren't drained. They are ok. Pacquiao Cotto was not ok. Chavez Whitaker was not ok. Taylor Norris was acceptable.

Actually, team pac proposed something like 143, they negotiated to 145, with no belt on the line. On surface, all seems well with that. Miguel was forced to put up his belt after the fact. Ultimately that doesnt matter, as miguel lost anyways, but the catchweight was proposed/used solely for the purpose of taking something out of miguel. Manny had fought previously, and since, at the divisional limit. But whatever. What i scratch my head over now, is considering how handily manny beat miguel, why is he asking for a catchweight again. Just seems hes scared to fight miguel when cotto is comfortable/full strength. If a fighters signs to fight non of that bull**** matters. cotto fought margarito at a catch weight where was the outrage there? I love cotto BTW. ****in canelo has fought 5 cathweights nobody knows about. Catchweights happen very often. If both fighters agree then that's it. Fans who complain about that are excuse making *******.

I hate it when a boxer uses catchweights regularly. I prefer it when catchweights are offered to the smaller fighter, not when the smaller fighter demands a catchweight or there would be no fight.

Depends. I would of liked to have a catchweight in a Ward vs. Dawson scenario when you have two of the top p4p fighters in the world separated by a few pounds.

Catchweights are great for the sport, but when certain fighters use it as a way to drain their opponents, it is bad. It can make fights that won't happen without being handicapped, so that is good. No belts should be on the line ever, if the weight limit is not respected.

I don't like catch-weights in general. However, I won't complain about it if there's no title at stake.

I love catchweights! I think everytime a boxer wants to move up they should take there time and do it pound by pound so they feel ABSOLUTELY comfortable because god forbid they have a tough fight..

As long as it doesn't severely drain and/or put either fighter at a real disadvantage I don't see the problem. Exactly, there is nothing wrong with catchweights when 2 grown up boxers who know what they are letting themselves in for agree to a weight where they can fight. There is enough boxers making excuses they are in different weight categories to avoid fighting each other as it is, for the fight starved fan to start complaing about CWs!

I dont mind catchweights in gerenal. If both fighters are happy doing it and we get to see good fights we may not normally see then thats fine IMO. I don't like catchweights when a title is on the line though..if you want to be a champion of a division i think you should fight at the weight required.

I don't really hate catchweights. They've been around probably longer than I've been in existence. People simply assume that you do when you say certain things. Like when you speak on Pacman trying to make a living off of them. If you say why would you ask a man that you already destroyed for yet another to face him, (after calling him out). Or why the hell did he fight Margarito of all people for 1 in a class none were realistically ranked in, knowing he was a banned cheater. Or why would you bring Marquez inside the welterweight limit when all your fans believe you could easily make 140, only to promise a beating & end up ultimately being schooled. When that happens, maybe a fighter & his catchweights start to wear thin. Just saying.

I don't have a problem with catchweights in general. They are good ideas in a lot of cases. Absolutely. (mimicing Lennox Lewis) Catchweight's are to try to get back a decided advantage one fighter has over the other, to make it a more level playing field. Otherwise there's no genuine competiton. There have been catchweights almost from the beginning of organised boxing, certainly from the start of the 20th century. For example, if my memory is good, I've read of many big fights where the weight limit was stipulated by the champion, and I know that the famous lightweight Joe Gans,actually more comfortable at a few lbs heavier, had tough fights where he was limited to 132-33 lbs at ringside One could almost say that Chavez Jr. fights at a catchweight by coming in at 160, when he'd be far more comfortable at 168......... Cotto at 5 inches shorter should have no trouble making 150, especially since over half his career was at 140, but it's a good bargaining chip. His "pride" also comes into it.

So then what is the point of this thread? We've established that both fighters agreed to the catchweight, AND, it didnt affect Cotto much. So if everyone is happy and terms are agreed to, what is the problem with catchweights? Even if one fighter's purpose for doing so is to gain a perceived advantage, which you yourself admitted that you thought the affect it had on Cotto was minimal. To see if people were cool with catchweights, and under what circumstances. The cotto conversation just took off because of my sig, and because pacquiao is an example of the circumstance of demanding catchweights merely for the fact of putting his opponent at a disadvantage/make then weaker.

I agree with the bold. I still don't know where you're getting your information from that all the way down to 146 he's ok...but take that 1 pound off and he is at a disadvantage... Not calling you a liar, but you keep reiterating that the 1 pound is the difference maker. Where and when, and by whom was that stated? You said it yourself that Miguel wouldn't/didn't use that as the excuse/reason. So then who did? You tell me why pac demanded/requested 143/145

To be clearr, i dont think it affected cotto much, he was in great shape and still strong. Im just saying it was, and is, a b!tch move on mannys part tho, i have no problem calling him out on that. So then what is the point of this thread? We've established that both fighters agreed to the catchweight, AND, it didnt affect Cotto much. So if everyone is happy and terms are agreed to, what is the problem with catchweights? Even if one fighter's purpose for doing so is to gain a perceived advantage, which you yourself admitted that you thought the affect it had on Cotto was minimal.

Yes came in drained and in shape at 146. Once you are drained and in shape, you stool gotta take that/those extra pounds off somewhere. Anybody whos cut weight before knows, its those last pounds that are killer. Yes he just happened to weight. 146 point something against clottey, at the same time never....never came in weighing 145. And noo, thats not what i meant to tell you. I made a point in saying he had to starve himself extra to make 145, moreso than restricting his diet trying to make 146/7. That extra pound has got to come off somewhere. now, lets get down to biscuits and gravy. There is only one reason why pac demanded the catchweight. One and only one. I agree with the bold. I still don't know where you're getting your information from that all the way down to 146 he's ok...but take that 1 pound off and he is at a disadvantage... Not calling you a liar, but you keep reiterating that the 1 pound is the difference maker. Where and when, and by whom was that stated? You said it yourself that Miguel wouldn't/didn't use that as the excuse/reason. So then who did?