Is the US really no longer a boxing powerhouse?

For those who say the United States is still not a powerhouse in boxing lets do the math according to Ring magazine. Now my final numbers are off by 8, but you will have to excuse me because it is 5am. Here's a breakdown of countries and top 10 fighters represented in every weight class including p4p. United States 36 Mexico 30 Japan 17 UK 15 Philippines 14 Thailand 7 Russia 6 Germany 5 South Africa 5 Poland 4 Cuba 4 Ukraine 4 Panama 4 Argentina 4 Dominican Republic 3 Puerto Rico 3 Canada 3 Australia 2 Kazakhstan 2 Armenia 2 Nigeria 2 Spain 1 Denmark 1 Malawi 1 Romania 1 Cameroon 1 France 1 Slovenia 1 Uganda 1 Bulgaria 1 Italy 1 Seriously, has the US fallen off that badly considering boxing is now a "world sport" in comparison to the years when communists were not allowed to go pro? Im not a nationalist, Im only responding to the US bait threads I've seen pop up the last few days. Thoughts? :usa: So I checked out the WBC top ten rankings for every weight class and the highest number per country was 33 in Mexico, the second highest is the US with 21. No other country came close to those numbers according to their rankings but, Japan and the Philippines were pretty high and with 12 each. Straight up MexicanBoxingCouncil if you ask me. I used the ring rankings. When I get time I might document all ABC orgs.

So I checked out the WBC top ten rankings for every weight class and the highest number per country was 33 in Mexico, the second highest is the US with 21. No other country came close to those numbers according to their rankings but, Japan and the Philippines were pretty high and with 12 each. Straight up MexicanBoxingCouncil if you ask me.

Yeah 50k is an incredible amount. The British seem to be among the most loyal of nationalities when it comes to boxing. Outside of Mayweather there is no real American boxer who is a big draw. Who would be the second biggest draw in American boxing? Bradley? Ward? Dawson? call me crazy but i acctually think hopkins is the second biggest american draw atm. hes got the second biggest name, is a legend and its literally history in the making everytime he fights bcuz of his age alone. hes not a huge draw but like you say there are few american draws atm. its not that america doesnt produce stars its just that its been an alternation of generation. alot of the biggest names in american boxing retired or can no longer compete at the highest level anymore. DLH, RJJ, mosley, tarver, toney, holyfield etc all fell off only a few years apart. hopkins is the last one standing and the new generation havent been able to establish their names just yet amongst mainstream fans, but with the talent out there its just a matter of time. the ward-dawson winner will take a big step in terms of popularity, maybe the loser too. broner is doing good numbers and will be a huge attraction in a few years imo.

Post some stuff to refute his statements then, if you challenge someone's facts in a debate you have to present your own. Saying someones facts are garbage but I am to lazy to invest is not a winning debate strategy~ He can't. There are arguments that can be presented against what I've posted but these guys aren't willing to apply themselves because if they can't figure it out it ruins their preconceived notions. Better just to live in their fantasy land where facts don't apply.

Yea ok suuuuurrrre. Great rebuttal, you got me on the ropes now! :lol1:

Post some stuff to refute his statements then, if you challenge someone's facts in a debate you have to present your own. Saying someones facts are garbage but I am to lazy to invest is not a winning debate strategy~

I'm not lazy...that shit takes hrs man and I actually want to enjoy my days off. :lol1: I had all that looked up and posted in about 15 total minutes. Tsk, tsk.

Eventhough they were posted with no link I'll take them as your word but to prove them real with your BELIEF is an opinion. That's just how I see it. I mean if I really wanted to take the time I could do research on the fluctuation of American champions and post data comparing it but in the end it will just be hrs of my time that I can do something else. Telling this place to like the Klits is like telling a religious fanatic to change their religion. In other words you're to lazy to look up the facts I've provided and not bright enough to argue against them. It's ok, Im not mad at you, you're still my boy. :lol1: :fing02:

That still doesn't accurately prove it though. Boxing has been on the decline for decades. I'm not trolling I'm stating my opinion. I still don't see how that is a fact. Like all of them guys are HWs as well. What I posted are ALL facts. You or anyone else here can look them up for yourselves. Instead of addressing one point at a time you've chosen to dismiss it all and say "it still doesn't accurately prove anything". What it proves is you guys make things up rather look things up. It proves you would rather keep your head in the sand than face the reality of the facts presented.

For those who say the United States is still not a powerhouse in boxing lets do the math according to Ring magazine. Now my final numbers are off by 8, but you will have to excuse me because it is 5am. Here's a breakdown of countries and top 10 fighters represented in every weight class including p4p. United States 36 Mexico 30 Japan 17 UK 15 Philippines 14 Thailand 7 Russia 6 Germany 5 South Africa 5 Poland 4 Cuba 4 Ukraine 4 Panama 4 Argentina 4 Dominican Republic 3 Puerto Rico 3 Canada 3 Australia 2 Kazakhstan 2 Armenia 2 Nigeria 2 Spain 1 Denmark 1 Malawi 1 Romania 1 Cameroon 1 France 1 Slovenia 1 Uganda 1 Bulgaria 1 Italy 1 Seriously, has the US fallen off that badly considering boxing is now a "world sport" in comparison to the years when communists were not allowed to go pro? Im not a nationalist, Im only responding to the US bait threads I've seen pop up the last few days. Thoughts? :usa: That thread is a pathetic mess of nationalistic baiting, which is all it was designed for. I see very few facts from those arguing against the idea the football and basketballs popularity have hurt boxing in terms of the best athletes entering it. I haven't see anyone bring up college and economic reasons. Someone correct me if Im wrong, but isn't college in Europe free or at least much cheaper than it is here? I know it is very expensive here and boxing is not amongst the sports you can receive scholarship money. From an early age kids are exposed to football and basketball in school. Sports is also the easiest way to an education for those who can't afford it. I know thousands and thousands of scholarships are given out every year for football and basketball. How many are given out for boxing in the US. So its just ridiculous to think that hasn't had an impact on our larger fighters. As the world opens up of course it will gain ground on whoever is in the lead at ANYTHING, that's just how the cookie crumbles. But to think there are no other contributing factors is just ignorance. As I've already stated the US certainly loses potential boxers to other sports because of the advantages of possibly getting scholarships to better ones self. European countries don't have this problem because it is either free to go to college or cheap enough where most can afford it. Here is the breakdown of schools allowed to offer athletic scholarships. Division 1 - There are 50 schools with a total 83 scholarships each.That is 4150 athletes a year. Division 1AA - There are 111 schools with 63 scholarships each. That is 6993 athletes a year. Division 2 - There are 282 schools with 63 scholarships each. That is 17,766 athletes a year. This means The United States keeps almost 30,000 kids looking to get into college every year interested in a sports other than boxing. So that means yes, the talent pool is depleted every single year in the US. How is that trolling? What facts? You have opinions just like me. You don't think they're great and I think they are. Simple. Fact, facts and MORE facts. So what do you have besides a trolling picture of a kid crying?

Look at Shaquille O' Neal.............He's a fucking KILLER!!! :rofl: Damn Lebron would murder the Klits. https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgqNGXREEPTJ36FJw0M26OIZZNrt79Ot5KkAxP6sSUyeSQ3h5_ Mofos like these are the Klitschko killers? :lol1: Shit!!!! https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT9dnMdzuiYPO6x7olVtchl1_Ygy4K97O6QpOzBNUYcRe_UuSy9 I get it, you can't argue with the facts so you would rather troll. Wonder where you picked that technique up from? :nonono:

That thread is a pathetic mess of nationalistic baiting, which is all it was designed for. I see very few facts from those arguing against the idea the football and basketballs popularity have hurt boxing in terms of the best athletes entering it. I haven't see anyone bring up college and economic reasons. Someone correct me if Im wrong, but isn't college in Europe free or at least much cheaper than it is here? I know it is very expensive here and boxing is not amongst the sports you can receive scholarship money. From an early age kids are exposed to football and basketball in school. Sports is also the easiest way to an education for those who can't afford it. I know thousands and thousands of scholarships are given out every year for football and basketball. How many are given out for boxing in the US. So its just ridiculous to think that hasn't had an impact on our larger fighters. As the world opens up of course it will gain ground on whoever is in the lead at ANYTHING, that's just how the cookie crumbles. But to think there are no other contributing factors is just ignorance. As I've already stated the US certainly loses potential boxers to other sports because of the advantages of possibly getting scholarships to better ones self. European countries don't have this problem because it is either free to go to college or cheap enough where most can afford it. Here is the breakdown of schools allowed to offer athletic scholarships. Division 1 - There are 50 schools with a total 83 scholarships each.That is 4150 athletes a year. Division 1AA - There are 111 schools with 63 scholarships each. That is 6993 athletes a year. Division 2 - There are 282 schools with 63 scholarships each. That is 17,766 athletes a year. This means The United States keeps almost 30,000 kids looking to get into college every year interested in a sports other than boxing. So that means yes, the talent pool is depleted every single year in the US. Still waiting for one of you guys who keep putting up your NFL/NBA crying arguments to respond to this. Don't be afraid, its just the internet.

Yeah 50k is an incredible amount. The British seem to be among the most loyal of nationalities when it comes to boxing. Outside of Mayweather there is no real American boxer who is a big draw. Who would be the second biggest draw in American boxing? Bradley? Ward? Dawson? Lol, I gotta be honest, As an American Im a fan of British boxing fans. When Hatton brought 10,000 of his countrymen over and they were all singing.....win or lose, that was some cool and loyal shit to see. As a fan of ANYTHING you have to admire that passion!

Who outside of Floyd and Manny would manage to sell 50k? Granted, these fights are few and far between. But who's selling out 50K stadiums in Europe right now besides the Klits?

Europe is certainly on the rise, I agree. But the reason the Klits sell out 50K stadiums and Americans don't is because Casino's buy the rights to host the biggest fights so they can profit from gamblers who get comped tickets. and nobody is paying 2500 for ringside seat i'd guess that the scalp / street prices for the pacquiao - mayweather jr fight would have been way north of ten grand. way north i certainly cant afford it, but there are guys who will show up to vegas and lose 10X that much on the tables after the fight.

Its changing overtime though, boxing in europe is slowly on the rise. Very rarely will you see an American boxer pack out 50 k stadiums for easy title defenses. The Klitschko's do that every time Europe is certainly on the rise, I agree. But the reason the Klits sell out 50K stadiums and Americans don't is because Casino's buy the rights to host the biggest fights so they can profit from gamblers who get comped tickets.

yes, that's very true cruiserweight is european based as well and for a period of time the big fights at MW were taking place in germany still though, and i'm sure you'll agree, the sport is for the most part still based here. fighters still aspire to fight here. the best trainers and the best sparring can be found here. we have the best gyms. and we've got the most imported talent. No doubt, and long may it continue, I cant begrudge the US their place as the centre of boxing, considering what a history they have had with the sport.

For those who say the United States is still not a powerhouse in boxing lets do the math according to Ring magazine. Now my final numbers are off by 8, but you will have to excuse me because it is 5am. Here's a breakdown of countries and top 10 fighters represented in every weight class including p4p. United States 36 Mexico 30 Japan 17 UK 15 Philippines 14 Thailand 7 Russia 6 Germany 5 South Africa 5 Poland 4 Cuba 4 Ukraine 4 Panama 4 Argentina 4 Dominican Republic 3 Puerto Rico 3 Canada 3 Australia 2 Kazakhstan 2 Armenia 2 Nigeria 2 Spain 1 Denmark 1 Malawi 1 Romania 1 Cameroon 1 France 1 Slovenia 1 Uganda 1 Bulgaria 1 Italy 1 Seriously, has the US fallen off that badly considering boxing is now a "world sport" in comparison to the years when communists were not allowed to go pro? Im not a nationalist, Im only responding to the US bait threads I've seen pop up the last few days. Thoughts? :usa: word up!!!

Its changing overtime though, boxing in europe is slowly on the rise. Very rarely will you see an American boxer pack out 50 k stadiums for easy title defenses. The Klitschko's do that every time yes, that's very true cruiserweight is european based as well and for a period of time the big fights at MW were taking place in germany still though, and i'm sure you'll agree, the sport is for the most part still based here. fighters still aspire to fight here. the best trainers and the best sparring can be found here. we have the best gyms. and we've got the most imported talent.

boxing all but revolves around america that is what it is. recognition of that is not arrogant. it's practical. Its changing overtime though, boxing in europe is slowly on the rise. Very rarely will you see an American boxer pack out 50 k stadiums for easy title defenses. The Klitschko's do that every time