Rising boxing nations and future super powers?

Used to play on ICC years ago. Only recently got into tournament play. Currently have a rating of 1658, after 16 games. PM me, maybe we can play sometime. Nice, I'm at 1600 right now. I'll definitely pm you next time I got time to play. :fing02:

Kazakhstan has been a top country for a long time but hardly any of their fighters go pro. China has improved alot in the last 5 years and some south american countries are improving.

India is producing some good talent, hope some of them go pro soon. Kazakhstan to. Irish amateur boxing is on the rise and if even half of our talented fighters go pro we will have some very pro's. Btw to the guy who said Pacquiao had no amateur career, thats BS, he was on the Philippine national team.

Great analogy. You play online? I'll tap anybody in here, any chess player CAN get it. :boxing: Used to play on ICC years ago. Only recently got into tournament play. Currently have a rating of 1658, after 16 games. PM me, maybe we can play sometime.

When your opponent is playing to hurt you the game changes greatly. Play chess where you get an electric shock when you lose a piece, which increases with each lost piece. Now while some of the best would be able to handle the change and still be the best, a different group who can handle that pressure would emerge. Great analogy. Being an avid chess player myself, I can definitely relate to that example. It would probably increase my level of play. lol You play online? I'll tap anybody in here, any chess player CAN get it. :boxing:

Being an avid chess player myself, I can definitely relate to that example. It would probably increase my level of play. lol Or decrease it~ it changes the whole thought process of a person if they are going to get hurt if they mess up or even just get outdone. Some people can deal with that pressure better than others. It can also lead to a complete unraveling because you would need to be able to pull yourself together and make the proper move, if not then it will quickly become a downward spiral.

When your opponent is playing to hurt you the game changes greatly. Play chess where you get an electric shock when you lose a piece, which increases with each lost piece. Now while some of the best would be able to handle the change and still be the best, a different group who can handle that pressure would emerge. Being an avid chess player myself, I can definitely relate to that example. It would probably increase my level of play. lol

The best amateurs? I don't know one Olympic medalist from the last games that's made a worthy impression in the pro ranks. The system is too flawed as it is. Some programs have begun to teach the style mist suitable fit the Olympics and because of that they win medals but as pros they look like ****. It was bad in the 90s as well but now its much worse. There's basically almost no correlation between the two anymore and the olympic s is a poor indication of any pro potential Part of the reason is that most of the medal winners from the 2008 Olympics are still too young to have made an impact in the pros. Another major reason is that most came from countries (like China and Cuba) where pro boxing is either new, unimportant or non-existent. James DeGale, 26, of Great Britain, won gold in the middleweight division; he is now 12-1 as a professional. Yordenis Ugas, the bronze medalist from Cuba, is also 26; he is now 11-1 as a pro. I wonder how many fighters with similar professional experience but no amateur background have done as well. I don't deny that the gap between Olympic boxing and the pro version has widened considerably over the years, but I do believe that talented amateurs tend to make talented pros.

When your opponent is playing to hurt you the game changes greatly. Play chess where you get an electric shock when you lose a piece, which increases with each lost piece. Now while some of the best would be able to handle the change and still be the best, a different group who can handle that pressure would emerge.

Most pros aren't, either. lol And who's to say the kids with the "professional styles" will do better than the gold medalists? Boxing is still, in it's purest form, a sport of hit and don't be hit. That's what Olympic boxing is all about, even with all its flaws. The way I see it, the best amateurs will be able to adapt when the time comes. The others will tend to fail as pros, too. The best amateurs? I don't know one Olympic medalist from the last games that's made a worthy impression in the pro ranks. The system is too flawed as it is. Some programs have begun to teach the style mist suitable fit the Olympics and because of that they win medals but as pros they look like ****. It was bad in the 90s as well but now its much worse. There's basically almost no correlation between the two anymore and the olympic s is a poor indication of any pro potential

kazakhstan have been an amateur presence for a while now, but they don't seem to turn pro. brazil and algeria seem to be on the up.

Where's that opinion coming from? You can't have that level of thinking when majority of boxing's greats (almost if not all 90%) came from the amateur ranks. Where you got that number from? Only 3 people in the Ring's top 10 P4P won an olympic medal.

Anyone with good skills should be able to fight decently for 9 minutes~ fighting 4 times as long is a whole different ball game. Yea the guys that do well tend to be toward the top of the heap, but that just means any of the 32 guys that get to compete not really the guys that have stripped their style down to win in this format. Who from the 2008 games has done anything in the pro ranks that won a medal.

Yes, so that's why the K brothers, Rigondeaux, Gamboa, Lara, Salinas, Franco, Dlh, Floyd, Ward, and so many others had fail in the pro? It's not like it really means jack shit but look at your list, most are excellent technicians. The K brothers are great at what they do and the amateur system works for them. The pros are a different game though. Say like Antonio Demarco, sometimes the slow starter durable guy that finishes strong. Or any slow starter for that matter. A big puncher with limited boxing ability would not be suitable for the Olympics.

Where's that opinion coming from? You can't have that level of thinking when majority of boxing's greats (almost if not all 90%) came from the amateur ranks. That's an unfair assessment considering Amateur Boxing changed drastically since the 1970s or so. Lots of ATG's did not have any amateur careers such as Billy Conn, Pacman, etc. Lots of ATG's didn't do well in the ammy's like Tommy Hearns yet were able to turn it around in the pro's. I agree that the amateur game sets you up for success, but 90 percent is a pretty ridiculous number to put out there, especially considering it is a fairly new venture the way it is now. You can say yeah Willie Pep was a standout amateur, but it was just pro boxing lite back then with the scoring and the lack of headgear, so it's a different beast. I'm just playing devil's advocate.

Not right now. I don't see it. Some of them, definitely. But most? No. The amateur style is vastly different from the pro style. Most of them will not be as good as an Andre ward or Floyd mayweather. I've watch pretty much every match in the olympics and the guys with the professional styles are obvious but they usually aren't the guys who win. Most pros aren't, either. lol And who's to say the kids with the "professional styles" will do better than the gold medalists? Boxing is still, in it's purest form, a sport of hit and don't be hit. That's what Olympic boxing is all about, even with all its flaws. The way I see it, the best amateurs will be able to adapt when the time comes. The others will tend to fail as pros, too.

I get what you're saying, and I agree that the system has increasingly degenerated over the years. But that doesn't mean that the best Olympians should be overlooked. With the exception of the obvious travesty, as with RJJ, gold medal winners have to be regarded as bright professional prospects. Not right now. I don't see it. Some of them, definitely. But most? No. The amateur style is vastly different from the pro style. Most of them will not be as good as an Andre ward or Floyd mayweather. I've watch pretty much every match in the olympics and the guys with the professional styles are obvious but they usually aren't the guys who win.

For all those who didn't get my message, reread it. This time very carefully. I am specifically talking about the Olympic boxing system that exists today. Not the one that existed when ward or Floyd or anyone else was around. Smh. U would think u guys would understand the system is vastly different than it was just 10years ago. I get what you're saying, and I agree that the system has increasingly degenerated over the years. But that doesn't mean that the best Olympians should be overlooked. With the exception of the obvious travesty, as with RJJ, gold medal winners have to be regarded as bright professional prospects.

For all those who didn't get my message, reread it. This time very carefully. I am specifically talking about the Olympic boxing system that exists today. Not the one that existed when ward or Floyd or anyone else was around. Smh. U would think u guys would understand the system is vastly different than it was just 10years ago.

Pro boxing has recently been allowed in China. In 2006 they had their first world champion and 2 months ago a chinese boxer became WBC silver champion. I did a search on boxrec and I'm surprised at how many pro boxers china has but most of them have less than 10 pro fights. The pro boxing scene in China is just starting to develop, the WBC is regularly staging events there and a lot of promoters are interested in doing business over there because of the huge market. Two freaking billion people, imagine how much money you would make on a ppv... lol The latest estimate of the Chinese population is 1,347,350,000. You're right, though; that would make for amazing PPV numbers. The Chinese could easily become the major power in professional boxing, if they really got into it. The potential pool of young athletes is simply enormous.