Where to rank JMM all-time if...

top 100 won? garbage poll results Its not garbage at all. Could be anywhere from a 100 down to 51. Even if you put him at 100 that is a great achievement. For me he is definitely high up there in the rankings, a beautiful boxer to watch.

Damn. Tough crowd. :rofl:

If Marquez beat Bradley & Garcia I'd rank him around 80-90 as ATG.

If Marquez retired tomorrow I'd stand by my statement that he's underrated. But like others that list is unrealistic. Cotto can't make the weight so that doesn't matter. Bradley would be nice. Garcia would be nice. Khan would be good but right now why fight both him and Garcia. Khan lost to Peterson who lost to Garcia so why? Broner great, but we got about 10 years until we truly understand what that means. Don't get me wrong if he took all of those fight and won IDK where to put him, but up there. Personally I refuse to talk about ATG lists because the sport goes back over a century and unless you've seen the good guys and the guys they beat fighting the guys they beat it's hard to truly understand how great they are. I've watched SRR beat Lamotta but outside of highlights I haven't seen any other Lamotta fights so how can I truly understand how great that victory is without parroting what others have said.

Wish Marquez would stop wasting time facing bums, he's already up there in age, it's sad because if he really wanted to he could accomplish so much more. If Marquez did all of that, as someone said, he would be the most accomplished fighter in this era. It's unrealistic though.

top 100 won? garbage poll results

If he actually wins those fights at that age it would put him in top 15 for sure. Decade after he retires we will tell stories of him as if he is from a fairy tale. He probably has two big wins left, so for now top 50.

Man.....Jmm is the ****.......he will always be between ATG morales and Barrera for me.."...... Why between? He has accomplished more. Why? Cuz he doesn't fight like a "Mexican"?

Not sure about ATG number. Kind of subjective. But from resume and the ability to carry weight P4P, probably #1 ATG for Mexico. Yes may be better than Chavez sr. JMM landed more meaningful punch against Chris John. Was in a weight class he was unfamiliar and Floyd came in overweight (Floyd usually comes in weigh so go figure). We know what happened with Manny.

i think if he fought garcia at 140 then bradley at 147 and won both of those, which i know he can. those 2 would be good enough for me to put him in the top 25 of all time right now I would put him in the top 75

if he beat all those guys, greatest ever, i dont think he can beat all of them at this age but if he does, hes greatest ever

Let's say Marquez never ends up fighting Pacquiao for a 4th time, but fights about 5-6 more times, and retiring in late 2013 or early 2014, at the age of 40. If Marquez were to clearly decision or KO/TKO the following fighters, where do you rank him in the ATG list?: Timothy Bradley @ 147 Miguel Cotto @ 147 (assuming IF Cotto can safely go down to 147 again) Adrien Broner @ catchweight 137? (Broner mentioned a catchweight possibility if he were to fight Marquez) Danny Garcia @ 140 Amir Khan @ 140 Lamont Peterson @ 140 Your asking too much outta Marquez with that list. Kinda silly to ask, If this fighter beat these folks where would you rank them. Obviously Marquez would be top on any list IF this scenario did happen but at this point Marquez only wants Pacman and Pacman only..

What fight is that in your sig? Wilfredo Vargas back in 1999

Timothy Bradley @ 147 -- Good win Miguel Cotto @ 147 -- No credit. Miguel hasn't fought there since 09. 154 or bust Adrien Broner @ 140 -- Decent win, unproven but its good to beat the top prospects Danny Garcia @ 140 -- Great win, Danny's the man to beat @ 140 Amir Khan @ 140 -- Not a good win, Khan's time @ 140 has finished. 147 or bust Lamont Peterson @ 140 -- Can't comment until Peterson gets good wins post PED Matthyse -- Great win, him and Danny are the top dogs @ 140.

Timothy Bradley @ 147 Miguel Cotto @ 147 (assuming IF Cotto can safely go down to 147 again) Good fighters. Good wins. Adrien Broner @ catchweight 137? (Broner mentioned a catchweight possibility if he were to fight Marquez) Danny Garcia @ 140 These guys are unproven. Amir Khan @ 140 *Yawn* His 15 minutes are up. Lamont Peterson @ 140 *Yawn* Decent win but not much else. What would the last four fights prove? That Marquez kicks a lot more ass than is reasonable? Who didn't know that already? top 15-25 ATG specially because he's doing it @ 40 but i'll be satisfied if he beats Garcia for the ring belt @ 140 and then retires. inb4 he's only fighting bums now What fight is that in your sig?

top 15-25 ATG specially because he's doing it @ 40 but i'll be satisfied if he beats Garcia for the ring belt @ 140 and then retires. inb4 he's only fighting bums now It's freaking weird to see Marquez with that much hair like in your sig.

If he beat all of them convincingly he would go down as one of the greatest ever. Top 10 and be more accomplished than Pac/Mayweather combined.

top 15-25 ATG specially because he's doing it @ 40 but i'll be satisfied if he beats Garcia for the ring belt @ 140 and then retires. inb4 he's only fighting bums now

If he clearly beat all those fighters, at this point in his career, he'd be the most accomplished active fighter. So wherever you put Pacquiao and Mayweather, put Marquez above that.