Chavez Jr. at Super Middleweight

I'm not completely sold on Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. as far as him being (or ever becoming) an elite fighter yet, but he's definitely at the very least a good solid fighter. However, given that there's already talk about him moving up to 168, how do you guys see him doing in that division? His fight against Martinez in September will most likely be his last at middleweight - unless it's a draw or a close loss - then a rematch would probably happen. If Chavez wins (even if it's close), I don't necessarily see a rematch happening unless it's at a higher weight. So anyway, how does Chavez Jr. fare at 168? Does he have any chance at beating any of the top guys there? I don't see him beating Andre Ward at all, and even though it would probably be a war while it lasted, Carl Froch would most likely knock him out. But what about guys like Lucian Bute? Kessler? Abraham (is he still fighting at 168?) He gets pummeled by 95% of all the top guys there, maybe all of them. There is a reason why he has been fighting smaller guys for so long and struggling to stay at 160

I look forward to seeing how they strip that WBC title from Ward so Jr can avoid fighting him. Maybe HBO will help trick Ward just like they did Martinez.

When Pavlik came back and heard his plans of staying at 168 then a light bulb instantly lid up. I think that's Arum's plan, build up Pavlik then feed him to Chavez.

As Chavez goes up, he loses the only advantage he ever had.... size. He might beat some people and win a vacant at 168... but it'll stop there.... but of course the WBC will clear the line for him so he can win titles all the way up to heavyweight

hes young and improving with every fight! i think hed be just fine.

I don't think his power will carry over that well to 168. Look at Abraham. 168 is the land of the big boys. The elite have all faced each other, and they've been hit by much harder hitters than JCCjr. I do like Junior, and i root for him strongly as the kid get's serious hate, but 168 would be a stern test. That's IF he mixes it up with the big boys....which if Arum has anything to do with it, he won't. Probably go after a Stieglitz type.

I can agree with this except the Abraham part. I think Abraham is one of the few Chavez can beat at 168. I think Chavez-Bute would play out like Chavez-Lee or Froch-Bute. :lol1: If Bute gets smashed again by Froch in their rematch, Arum will jump on it and have Chavez fight him in 2013 for sure. It'd be interesting to see if they'd be willing to make the fight in Canada, or if they'd be able to lure Bute down to the States.

He'll go up and fight Pavlik and then win a vacant WBC and not fight the top tier fighters. I was just thinking that Pavlik would probably be his first opponent at 168. It would be a fun scrap to watch, but even if Chavez wins, it won't really tell us much about what he'll be able to do at that weight. Arum's excuse for matching him carefully will probably be that they're waiting for him to "grow into that weight." LOL

I think they all beat him and likely stop him. Probably give him a shot at beating Bute though. Froch stops him, Ward & Dirrell UD all day long, Kessler UD/late stoppage, Abraham smashes him to bits. I can agree with this except the Abraham part. I think Abraham is one of the few Chavez can beat at 168. I think Chavez-Bute would play out like Chavez-Lee or Froch-Bute. :lol1:

168 is going to be one hell of a step up as they have all been fighting each other, those guys are ready to rock and won't be daunted by the occasion. Chavez is taking his first step up to that level with Martinez, the next step into 168 is the lions den

Size adavantage gone at 168 so i think he could beat Stieglitz who while a good offensive fighter folds when pressure is applied other then that Bute,Froch,Dirrel,Ward,Kessler all win hell even Abraham who has looked poor at the weight would beat him.Im very interested in Stieglitz Abraham next month

Arum admitted that he didn't think Chavez was ready for Martinez until recently. Which I guarantee Martinez's size has a lot to do with why they are fighting. That being said, I highly doubt Arum is in a rush to throw Chavez in with Ward, Kessler, Froch, Dirrell(s) He'll go up and fight Pavlik and then win a vacant WBC and not fight the top tier fighters. I'm guessing they'll either be at 175 or not fighting by the time Chavez is "ready to step up" Chavez will walk out of the ring with the W with Martinez, one way or another. Don't expect him to fight the same level of opposition from now on...

let him beat martinez first and stop praying on his downfall lol Haha! Yeah, I know, but like I originally said...win, lose or draw against Martinez, that will probably be his last fight at 160. I suppose he'll make 160 again for a rematch if he loses via close decision (SD, MD or controversial UD), or if the fight ends in a draw, but if he happens to win (even if it's close), I doubt he'll give Martinez a rematch unless they do it at 168 or at a catchweight right in the middle. Oh, and I don't necessarily hope for his downfall at all. In fact, it'd be cool if he actually beat Martinez and then some of the top guys at 168, 'cause that would then make him a serious star, but I'm just calling it how I see it right now. His fight against Martinez will definitely go a long way in showing what (if anything) he can do against that level of opposition.

I think they all beat him and likely stop him. Probably give him a shot at beating Bute though. Froch stops him, Ward & Dirrell UD all day long, Kessler UD/late stoppage, Abraham smashes him to bits. Yeah, I agree with this. I mean, the opposition is there for him to make some serious noise at 168, but I just don't think he has what it takes to actually beat any of those guys....besides maybe Bute, simply by breaking him down.

I think they all beat him and likely stop him. Probably give him a shot at beating Bute though. Froch stops him, Ward & Dirrell UD all day long, Kessler UD/late stoppage, Abraham smashes him to bits.