Pac at 19 a WBC champ/lineal champ, by 24 a 3 divisions/2 lineal champ = juicing?

Pac offered to send a petition to the NSAC to carry out the random blood/urine testing and he was 100% ok with this. It was actually Floyd who had second thoughts and called it off - just like it was floyd who went on a 1 year vacation, and it was floyd who offered a flat fee to manny despite the fact that manny has sold 1.5 million more ppvs than floyd in 17 fewer months. Floyd recent admittance "I'm a rich coward and my self preservation comes first" showed he really doesn't want to fight Pacquiao.

Show me the link Pac did refused the test. Pac didn't refuse the test but negotiated for cut off days. Floyd brought up the non required test by the Nevada boxing commission and Pac has all the right to refuse the OST. Pac showed he is willingness to compromise but Floyd was keep moving the goal post and made Pac chasing him around trying to compromise to all his demands. When Pac agreed to his offer 14 days cut off, he moved it 0 days cut off, when Pac agreed to 0 days cut off, he moved the goal post again by not giving Pac a ppv share, If Pac agreed to no ppv share I'm sure he will move the goal again by demanding the fight should be at 154. LMAO! Besides we all know Pac is willing to give his urine everyday if they want (everyday > random) and it was proven the urine testing is much better than blood test. Pac offered to send a petition to the NSAC to carry out the random blood/urine testing and he was 100% ok with this. It was actually Floyd who had second thoughts and called it off - just like it was floyd who went on a 1 year vacation, and it was floyd who offered a flat fee to manny despite the fact that manny has sold 1.5 million more ppvs than floyd in 17 fewer months.

Pac refused OST testing at 1st (i'm afraid of needles, giving blood weakens me) then tried to negotiate a cutoff. He then allegedly accepted only if he got a 50/50 split. Pac willingness to compromise was not as easy or simple as you and his other diehard fans suggest. He only agreed 5 months later, after floyd took it off the table because manny went so long not agreeing. pac can refuse whatever he wants. When he does, the public can evaluate those actions. His actions were not those of someone who was clean. Did Pac said that or just Arum making excuses for Pac? Pac proved himself clean many times by taking the mandatory test required by the boxing commission, the same tests Floyd took in his 40 fights but all of the sudden is not enough anymore when he was about to fight Pacquiao. lmao I don't understand you Floyd **** suckers when your idol pretty much admitted (I'm a rich coward self preservation comes first) he doesn't want any part of Pacquiao. So all the while we came in to conclusion that these OST and no ppv shares were just smoke in the mirror brought to you by the rich coward.

Not this kind of thread again.

Show me the link Pac did refused the test. Pac didn't refuse the test but negotiated for cut off days. Floyd brought up the non required test by the Nevada boxing commission and Pac has all the right to refuse the OST. Pac showed he is willingness to compromise but Floyd was keep moving the goal post and made Pac chasing him around trying to compromise to all his demands. When Pac agreed to his offer 14 days cut off, he moved it 0 days cut off, when Pac agreed to 0 days cut off, he moved the goal post again by not giving Pac a ppv share, If Pac agreed to no ppv share I'm sure he will move the goal again by demanding the fight should be at 154. LMAO! Pac refused OST testing at 1st (i'm afraid of needles, giving blood weakens me) then tried to negotiate a cutoff. He then allegedly accepted only if he got a 50/50 split. Pac willingness to compromise was not as easy or simple as you and his other diehard fans suggest. He only agreed 5 months later, after floyd took it off the table because manny went so long not agreeing. pac can refuse whatever he wants. When he does, the public can evaluate those actions. His actions were not those of someone who was clean.

Agree 100%. Manny wanted more money to take OST, not a good look, and this is coming from a floyd fan that says manny is clean until he tests positive. I just like to remind the whirllwinds of this board that the refusal and the knowing the test date made manny look bad to the public. Show me the link Pac did refused the test. Pac didn't refuse the test but negotiated for cut off days. Floyd brought up the non required test by the Nevada boxing commission and Pac has all the right to refuse the OST. Pac showed he is willingness to compromise but Floyd was keep moving the goal post and made Pac chasing him around trying to compromise to all his demands. When Pac agreed to his offer 14 days cut off, he moved it 0 days cut off, when Pac agreed to 0 days cut off, he moved the goal post again by not giving Pac a ppv share, If Pac agreed to no ppv share I'm sure he will move the goal again by demanding the fight should be at 154. LMAO! Besides we all know Pac is willing to give his urine everyday if they want (everyday > random) and it was proven the urine testing is much better than blood test.

while i agree that refusal to take the test doesn't look good for manny, there are other considerations to make concessions ("ok, i'll take your test,") in boxing always work two ways. manny and floyd were essentially ready to fight and had agreed to terms before floyd brought up extra drug testing at the last minute. that's really not how things work in boxing, or in any negotiation. if something like that is brought up during negotiations early on you can come to a compromise that makes both parties happy. you dont concede anything without compensation. why would you subject your fighter to the drug tests when it's not required beyond the piss tests? if you dont need to give anything up, you dont. "ok, we can take a drug test, but i want more money." "ok, we can take a drug test, but i want a smaller ring." etc. you lay out all of the terms of any early on. they didnt do that. i genuinely believe that the intention of the mayweather team was to stall for more money. they knew the fight would be huge, and that it would make their fights in the meantime bigger. and more importantly, if manny loses (and let's face it, he'd lose to floyd mayweather,) the first time he takes a drug test people will assume that he was using drugs, even if he was always clean. Agree 100%. Manny wanted more money to take OST, not a good look, and this is coming from a floyd fan that says manny is clean until he tests positive. I just like to remind the whirllwinds of this board that the refusal and the knowing the test date made manny look bad to the public.

AT a DUI stop, if you refuse a breathylyzer test its treated as a positive. If you go to court and refuse to take a drug test its treated as a positive. Why are you so confused as to how people could take manny's refusal to test and then trying to know the date of the test, as an indication he is using PED's? while i agree that refusal to take the test doesn't look good for manny, there are other considerations to make concessions ("ok, i'll take your test,") in boxing always work two ways. manny and floyd were essentially ready to fight and had agreed to terms before floyd brought up extra drug testing at the last minute. that's really not how things work in boxing, or in any negotiation. if something like that is brought up during negotiations early on you can come to a compromise that makes both parties happy. you dont concede anything without compensation. why would you subject your fighter to the drug tests when it's not required beyond the piss tests? if you dont need to give anything up, you dont. "ok, we can take a drug test, but i want more money." "ok, we can take a drug test, but i want a smaller ring." etc. you lay out all of the terms of any early on. they didnt do that. i genuinely believe that the intention of the mayweather team was to stall for more money. they knew the fight would be huge, and that it would make their fights in the meantime bigger. and more importantly, if manny loses (and let's face it, he'd lose to floyd mayweather,) the first time he takes a drug test people will assume that he was using drugs, even if he was always clean.

It's funny to watch the last few desperate threads of *******s and *****s going at it. They are getting rare these days. Floyds in jail and Pac has started clearly going downhill. :rofl: and all of a sudden we're seeing a huge push for the young fighters in the sport by showtime and HBO coincidence? nah floyd's going downhill as well. i always wanted to know what bscene would look like without the mayweather / pacquiao war goons. we are finding out. now they complain about canelo and broner. :rofl:

VADA or USADA Floyd wanted a blood test because he said the urine test is useless but guess what? Nobody was caught by Floyd blood test but the urine test caught Chavez, Berto and Peterson. Take note Pac offered Floyd to drink or test his urine everyday and the blood test a few days before the fight and right after the fight but the coward self preservation comes first did what he should do to duck the easy fight easy money midget.:wave: AT a DUI stop, if you refuse a breathylyzer test its treated as a positive. If you go to court and refuse to take a drug test its treated as a positive. Why are you so confused as to how people could take manny's refusal to test and then trying to know the date of the test, as an indication he is using PED's?

Why is it strange that Floyd doesn't use VADA? He was using USADA before VADA even existed. Did it occur to you that VADA caught dirty athletes because it tested dirty athletes? Maybe the fighters who were tested by USADA were clean and that's why they didn't get caught for anything. Does that make sense? It should make sense even for a child. How many times has pac used VADA or USADA? VADA or USADA Floyd wanted a blood test because he said the urine test is useless but guess what? Nobody was caught by Floyd blood test but the urine test caught Chavez, Berto and Peterson. Take note Pac offered Floyd to drink or test his urine everyday and the blood test a few days before the fight and right after the fight but the coward self preservation comes first did what he should do to duck the easy fight easy money midget.:wave:

how many times has floyd been tested by VADA? oh zero. strange how VADA catches 2 al haymon cohorts but floyd is still doing the USADA testing. under USADA peterson wouldn't have been caught...what a surprise. i guess floyd doesn't want the best testing after all. Why is it strange that Floyd doesn't use VADA? He was using USADA before VADA even existed. Did it occur to you that VADA caught dirty athletes because it tested dirty athletes? Maybe the fighters who were tested by USADA were clean and that's why they didn't get caught for anything. Does that make sense? It should make sense even for a child. How many times has pac used VADA or USADA?

Pac was a natural talent even before roach got him, and Pac didnt have a proper real deal trainer. Pac may have even got better if he didnt have Roach, as Roach says he is the best trainer in the world as hes got the best fighter in the world. Maybe if Pac had of used another manny, manny steward, steward would be the best trainer in the world. Roach and Pacquiao are a good match, I prefer his offensive style for Pacquiao. Mayweathers saying Pacquiao is on PEDS is a compliment because he's that damn good.

Pac was a natural talent even before roach got him, and Pac didnt have a proper real deal trainer. Pac may have even got better if he didnt have Roach, as Roach says he is the best trainer in the world as hes got the best fighter in the world. Maybe if Pac had of used another manny, manny steward, steward would be the best trainer in the world. True , anybody can get a CW when you offer them enough , your whole perspective is based on the hype lol , the real Pacman is fluff !

Pac was a natural talent even before roach got him, and Pac didnt have a proper real deal trainer. Pac may have even got better if he didnt have Roach, as Roach says he is the best trainer in the world as hes got the best fighter in the world. Maybe if Pac had of used another manny, manny steward, steward would be the best trainer in the world.

Floyd's stance was and is. You don't beat 122, 126, 130lb fighters the way Manny did which he knocked some guys out and beat some guys up. Then go up to 135, 140, 147, 154 and beat those men much more impressively than you beat the men at lower weights. Floyd's point is you didn't go up and outbox Diaz, Oscar, Hatton, Cheato, Shane, Cotto and Clottey. Pac beat them the F up. So if you hit Margarito who walks around at 180+ and broke his orbital bone, you have Shane say no boxer has EVER hit Me that hard LOGICALLY what should you do to the men who walk around at a much lighter weight IF you are the same fighter? So since I have a question about the legitamacy of your Power you have brought up with you Manny submit to a test - the same test I will submit to. The test will be handled by a world recognized organization and we will fight. So don't paint the picture to suit either side paint the picture for what it is I fight men who walk around in the 130s/140s and knock them down and beat them up. But I fight men who walk around 170/180s and not only do I beat them up I beat these bigger men up worse then I beat men 30 lbs less in weight I retire a couple I rearrange the face of couple others I knock onse out cold and break ones face. Come on! speed kills.. 140-154 were slow compared to lower weight guys.. you cannot do damage on someone you seldom hit..

Chowwoka Why not just tell the name of the drug and the links. Can't find anything? Well no wonder Chavez, Berto and Peterson they had these monster power, insane speed and granite chin. LMAO

You are exactly right. Berto and Peterson tested positive on VADA protocol. Manny has only been tested with the weak commission stuff. Now, I'm not saying that he is juicing but the sport needs to test year round. VADA and USADA are better than the "standard" commission testing but still can be beat. Pac agreed to Floyd OST and said Floyd can drink or test my urine anytime he wants. The blood testing can be done 14 days before the fight and one right after the fight but Floyd wanted a random blood testing because he said the urine testing is useless. Pac team insisted there is an advanced urine testing has been developed already by NANOCERES but Floyd still refused the idea. Fast forward of today, Chavez, Berto and Peterson were caught by these urine testing but none from Floyd random blood testing. You get the point?

Hey if you can identify this kind of PED that will increase your punching power tremendously will you share it to me? Much better if you can tell me as well those will make your chin stronger and increase your speed. I will make a lot of money on it by selling it. LMAO! You don't get it? There is no PED in this world that will give a punching power, speed or granite chin. You either have it or you don't! http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ph8cnkgt1rwcc6bo1_250.gif http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m59cr3JtN71qdpw37.gif http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpe2xqC42E1qetbbj.gif

Didn't Berto and Peterson get caught by VADA? How many times has Pac been tested by VADA? I've got no problem with VADA testing or USADA testing. They are both better than the standard commission testing. Like I said, maybe USADA hasn't caught anyone because they tested clean fighters. Is that hard to understand? It was a simple question. No need to answer me with another question. And a stupid one at that. how many times has floyd been tested by VADA? oh zero. strange how VADA catches 2 al haymon cohorts but floyd is still doing the USADA testing. under USADA peterson wouldn't have been caught...what a surprise. i guess floyd doesn't want the best testing after all.