Can Zab beat Garcia??

the reason Zab has been given "9 lives" is because folks recognize the tools he has and realize that Zab s**ttin the bed in virtually every big fight he's had has been more of a mental "fade" than it has been a physical one Even against guys who are in a class a notch above Judah, he's shown to be the physically/ more naturally-gifted fighter. It's deeper than just speed. it's easier to out-think Zab than it is to outbox, outwork or outland him. And in the majority of those losses, we still see those flashes of brilliance we wish he would be able to sustain for 12 rounds. With all that said, Zab has mental lapses. Huge ones. And that's just something that comes with a grave price against a guy like Danny, who's whole game revolves around capitalizing on opportunity and creating the one opening that will change the direction of a round, or a fight. Danny isn't gonna catch Judah clean the way he did Amir, but he has enough patience & pop to completely take Judah off of his game as the fight progresses. Brilliant post. And to add to that, the best way to beat Judah is not physically... it's mentally (in the ring). And Judah gets beaten mentally (in the ring) in his losses. Can he?? yes...would he?? i wouldn't bet on it. Pretty much what I was going to say. I kinda see Zab Judah and Victor Ortiz in the same way. They're both like a box of chocolates.... ya neva know what ya gonna get.

yep. I think it would be a good fight too. But im not quite sure he would win. Garcia has shown that he can keep his composure and not get carried away. I think he would deserve to be the favorite. Zab would come on strong but probably get pounded out.

Can he yes, if they did fight I doubt it. Zab is a glimmer of him old self. Fan of Judah, but he has lost his drive to beat the best!

He can, but I'd pick Garcia with little hesitation. If he can time Khan, Judah is no harder to figure out, and it's not like Judah has good defense.

Much better question~ I would say Garcia would be in a good spot and would deserve to be the favorite, however he is still a pretty flawed fighter and taking away the left hook is not exactly rocket science. Still Garcia is younger and fresher so if he stays on the ball and doesn't get a big head, I would figure he has enough to deal with Judah. That said, I would not be surprised at all if he lost or lost to somebody lesser than Judah.

Ever thought they're not getting hit as cleanly? Kellerman also added: Zab rarely gets KO'd from being knocked down, he usually able to fight on and sometimes to win. That's not the sign of a bad chin, just poor defense. Whatever, we'll have to agree to disagree. As you wish ;).

Alot of people seem to be giving Judah a shot but how many chances do you have to give this guy. He is a constant let down and has been ever since Tszyu landed that shot in round 2. I know he looks the part when he is on form but the end results tell the story. Look how poorly he did vs Khan who in turn got destroyed by Garcia. Zab hardly threw anything, looked old and then quit trying to claim a low blow. If a basic fightrer like Baldimor can beat Judah then Garcia definatley will if it happens.

Why are people discussing this fight? Most of the time they trash talk about guys getting undeserved title shots but now it seems ok with Zab getting a title shot. Beating Paris after being beaten by Khan does not give you a contender status. Only fights that Garcia should take are Bradley and JMM. I know almost impossible, but Arum will do a fight with GBP when he feels his fighter can beat theirs. So it is possible.

Again man, you don't need to be Mayweather or Whitaker to be considered good defensive fighter. Defence may be the hardest part of the game to master, everyone has some flaws in that regard. But still, Judah is taking by far less punishment than most of the fighters and that's what defence is about and if you're better than most, then you're good. Sharmba who Max compared him too was also a good defensive fighter by the way. Then,, if other fighters, despite being hit on a chin more often, are getting knocked down and out less often than Zab, then how can you consider Judah chin good? As I said, he was knocked down in a lot of fights when he was not taking punishment at all, knocked down even by a punch that he blocked. His chin is below average. Ever thought they're not getting hit as cleanly? Kellerman also added: In the Bergman, Millett and Tszyu fights, Zab was caught right on the point of the chin. Zab rarely gets KO'd from being knocked down, he usually able to fight on and sometimes to win. That's not the sign of a bad chin, just poor defense. Whatever, we'll have to agree to disagree.

judging by most of these you guy's really must think Danny is just lucky to be where he is. And I know timing in the punches he throws is better than Lucas and he will K.O. Judah.

Judah can take a lot of punishment. Against Cotto, Clottey, Mayweather and Matthysse he took some huge shots but was able to battle on. It was only Kostya Tzyzu who actually KO'd him and he got up from that too. As I said, Garcia's power won't phase him. As to Judah's chin versus his defensive ability, ask Max Kellerman: It's not the chin, it's the holes in his defense. However, it's unlikely a tough but limited fighter like Garcia will be able to expose them. Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion. I have Judah beating Garcia, and I hope the fight is made. Again man, you don't need to be Mayweather or Whitaker to be considered good defensive fighter. Defence may be the hardest part of the game to master, everyone has some flaws in that regard. But still, Judah is taking by far less punishment than most of the fighters and that's what defence is about and if you're better than most, then you're good. Sharmba who Max compared him too was also a good defensive fighter by the way. Then,, if other fighters, despite being hit on a chin more often, are getting knocked down and out less often than Zab, then how can you consider Judah chin good? As I said, he was knocked down in a lot of fights when he was not taking punishment at all, knocked down even by a punch that he blocked. His chin is below average.

If it was a 6 round fight, then maybe.

I mean seriously, what fight did you see Judah getting punished and not stopped because of his chin? Judah can take a lot of punishment. Against Cotto, Clottey, Mayweather and Matthysse he took some huge shots but was able to battle on. It was only Kostya Tzyzu who actually KO'd him and he got up from that too. As I said, Garcia's power won't phase him. As to Judah's chin versus his defensive ability, ask Max Kellerman: Almost any fighter is in trouble when hit directly on the chin with a good punch. This leads to a confusing conclusion: Zab Judah, a fighter who has made defensive maneuvers in the ring as spectacular as any seen in recent years, is a flawed defensive fighter. He is too easy to hit on the chin. Sharmba Mitchell, a slick southpaw like Judah, doesn't have Zab's remarkable, did-you-see-that defensive moves, and lacks Zab's natural ability. However, Mitchell's chin was not as easy for Tszyu to find as Zab's was. It's not the chin, it's the holes in his defense. However, it's unlikely a tough but limited fighter like Garcia will be able to expose them. Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion. I have Judah beating Garcia, and I hope the fight is made.

that's how I see it too, although Garcia may be able to swing a decision if Zab gasses down the stretch. It's a good fight, they should get it done. I can't really see Garcia outboxing Judah for a decision. I mean he doesn't lead with a jab all that much, when he does lead he leads with wide looping shots. He's not a high workrate type fighter and he's not a fighter that forces his opponents to fight at a high workrate which means Judah can dictate the pace behind his jab and speed. So I don't think Garcia can win a decision against Judah. Basically, the only way I think Garcia can win is if he catches Judah blind like he did with Khan but as I said before, the older, more mature version of Judah is not nearly as reckless as Khan.

Judah's not a good defensive fighter, that's why he hired Whitaker. It improved his defence but impaired his offense. As for his chin, how many times has Judah been stopped or KO'd? he can take a punch and then some, he's no Khan on that front. Not being knocked out in case of boxers in most cases is a thing of good defence, not good chin. I mean seriously, what fight did you see Judah getting punished and not stopped because of his chin? He was knocked down by Bergman and Millet by pretty much only meaningful punches those guys were able to land entire fight. Matthysse knocked him down and hurt badly with a punch that landed on a glove first. Mabuza knocked him down and had him hurt. Sorry, but you make no sense. You don't have to be Pernell Whitaker to be good defensive fighter. He didn't go 12 rounds with the big-punching Matthysse, he beat him over 12 rounds. No, just no. At least I know not to look at your scorecards in the future ;).

Yes, I think so. Garcia doesn't really push the pace in his fights and Judah throws straighter shots and I believe Judah has quicker hands, even though he is the older guy so I think he can catch Garcia before Garcia can catch him and he's not as reckless as Khan so I think Judah can either win a decision or by a sudden explosive knockout, catching Garcia with one of his patented uppercuts. that's how I see it too, although Garcia may be able to swing a decision if Zab gasses down the stretch. It's a good fight, they should get it done.

I think Garcia wins a rematch v Khan too. It would take some serious tactical adjustment for Khan to win that fight and even then he'd be susceptible to a heavy shot. But Garcia isn't stopping Judah like he stopped Khan, at best he hangs with Judah until the later rounds and beats him out on points. fully agree. i dont think he is gonna stop judah like he did khan. but its not out of the realm of possibility that garcia can stop judah. judahs head is long out of the game, and if he eats a couple big shots, who knows where his mind may travel to. all in all, i like both fighters ALOT, and this fight would be very interesting, if i had to bet, Id bet on danny, but would not be surprised or upset if zab pulls it out...

i said zabs chin is questionable, and always has been. depends on his mental state just like anything else in the ring. zab is a much harder fight for danny than khan ever could be I agree, but danny is the type of fighter that can make someone fight his fight, even a talented fighter like zab. I like zabs chances much better than khans, but i just dont know which zab will be there. but that fight is more dangerous than a khan fight ever could be. khans speed was killing garcia, yes, for the first 2 rounds before swifty started timing and countering khan, which seemed to be pretty easy, since khan thought he was mike tyson that night. rematch ends the same way, with a garcia victory. maybe not by KO, but by a win. khan cant hold danny at bay. a zab fight interests me, woulda interested me more 4-5 years ago, but still the greatest test to garcia to date, if SUPER zab shows up that is... I think Garcia wins a rematch v Khan too. It would take some serious tactical adjustment for Khan to win that fight and even then he'd be susceptible to a heavy shot. But Garcia isn't stopping Judah like he stopped Khan, at best he hangs with Judah until the later rounds and beats him out on points. well, zab got the W, yes. but to say that he beat him is a matter of opinion, cause i had matthyse winning that fight... Matthysse finished stronger but Judah outboxed him for 7 rounds. That wasn't really my point though, my point was that Judah can take a punch, Garcia's power won't phase him.

Yes, I think so. Garcia doesn't really push the pace in his fights and Judah throws straighter shots and I believe Judah has quicker hands, even though he is the older guy so I think he can catch Garcia before Garcia can catch him and he's not as reckless as Khan so I think Judah can either win a decision or by a sudden explosive knockout, catching Garcia with one of his patented uppercuts.

Judah's not a good defensive fighter, that's why he hired Whitaker. It improved his defence but impaired his offense. As for his chin, how many times has Judah been stopped or KO'd? he can take a punch and then some, he's no Khan on that front. He didn't go 12 rounds with the big-punching Matthysse, he beat him over 12 rounds. well, zab got the W, yes. but to say that he beat him is a matter of opinion, cause i had matthyse winning that fight...