The parallels between Victor Ortiz and Amir Khan are striking

Good thread.. I think both will be back,I think both are decent fighters..But their both lacking two things a fighter needs most.. In Khans case it's brains,but maybe with Hunter,he can correct this flaw..I think Khan has a higher ceiling then Ortiz tbh.. Ortiz is lacking brains and heart..Listen the kid obviously has heart to get in the ring in the first place..But Ortiz does not have heart in a sense that he can use it as a attribute in the ring..Ortiz could have been great if ya could have added at least one of the two things mentioned..

Both 25 years old. American and British. Born to immigrants Both highly thought of from a young age and were moved quickly to the big stage as professionals. Both have good resumes for their age (i said for their age before you shoot me down) - Khan stopped in 2008. Chin a question mark since that fight (although it was even before then). 2 years later and one weight class higher, proves his chin isn't so bad by surviving round 10 to beat Maidana. FOTY for 2010 - Ortiz stopped in 2009. Heart a question mark since then. 2 years later and one weight class higher, and proves he has heart, getting up from a heavy knockdown to beat Berto. FOTY for 2011 Both take losses in late 2011, followed by a long period of inactivity. Both have rematches scheduled in 2012, and both their opponents test positive after themselves asking for random drug testing. Both have last-minute replacement opponents who they are heavily favoured to beat, with potential big money fights with Mayweather and Alvarez depending on them winning Both lose in similar ways to their first major loss. Khan on jelly legs after taking a big shot, gets up and bravely attempts to fight back, but gets stopped. Ortiz in a slugfest, and decides not to continue after taking a lot of shots (I'm not going to say he quit after hearing about the seriousness of his injuries) And now both are being written off and getting a lot of hate. Ortiz has already split with his trainer and i think Khan needs to do the same (he probably is doing behind the scenes). Both need someone who will work on their defensive flaws - they're both very good offensively already, and great athletes. They also need to go easy with random comments that make you go WTF? Mark my words, BOTH will be back. Not saying they'll ever be elite fighters, but they can be damn good WAR KHAN! WAR ORTIZ! :boxing: http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width_scaled/hash/72/f7/72f736d88831d8812169db299fc94cda.jpg And they're good friends too, strangely enough..

Haha you can add to this both didn't leave their trainers on good terms. Khan made a fool of himself talking about Roach having Parkinsons and Ortiz claims his trainer told him to headbutt Mayweather :lol1:

Bump for all the fairweather fans, the doubters and the bandwagon jumpers

very well written and thought of i honestly like khan and ortiz both are exciting i'd love to see them back at the top again and im sure they'll be back problem with todays fans is that if someones record isnt flawless then their rubbish and should retire. gonna try and green k you now.

If we could mesh the two together, they would probably be on top right now.

good post, they should fight each other

It makes perfect sense. The people running Golden Boy would be idiots to not put them in the ring together at this point, not like they need to protect them so they get big fights. I don't think so somehow. Khan and Ortiz are still salvageable, it would be foolish for one guy to take a third loss in a row - that really would leave their career in the gutter. I think they'll both be built back up and by late next year Golden Boy may match them up with a couple of wins under their belt and some confidence back.

I would love to see them fight too. I can see everyone's favouring Ortiz in a blowout. Clearly the typical NSB mentality is in play, whoever's lost more recently is a bum :lol1: It makes perfect sense. The people running Golden Boy would be idiots to not put them in the ring together at this point, not like they need to protect them so they get big fights.

Both are media creations that have a job living up to their hype. Both are good fighters but were promoted as the next great fighters before they had proved themselves and earned the right to be called great. Angel Garcia was right when he described Khan as a manufactured champion. Boxing needs to get away from this promotion garbage and get back to the last man standing mentality.The only young fighter out there that can cary the superstar tag is Andre Ward and he is ovwrlooked. Overlooked because he is incredibly dull and boring. I'd rather watch Khan and Ortiz all day.

Great post, very true. Both great athletes that seems to be ignorant about their flaws, but maybe that's why so exciting. I support both in their (another) comebacks. Yup! If Khan chose to fight the safe game they'd probably kill him for not being exciting enough. If Khan avoided the tougher opponents and took the easy route like SO MANY do nowadays in Boxing, they'd call him a cherrypicker. But here we have a young, hungry fighter who takes on all corners and gets into wars nearly every time he fights even though that doesn't suit his style but to please the viewers and give them bang for their buck, entertaining fights and they still slaughter him. :D Some people are just HATERS. It's in their blood to hate. Their own miserable none exisiting lives make them HATE on other successful people. HATE on you no life losers.

Comparison sounds legit.

GREAT POST bro!!! I wish this post would get sticked to the top of the forum. If there was more people like yourself on this forum, and just in general when it comes to Boxing fans, Boxing fans would have such a better rep rather than being known as the most fickle fans in Sport. Both are ONLY 25 YEARS OLD!! How on earth can any of you fickle retards right them off. Both WILL BE BACK. Absolutely love this post.

Ortiz has never been knocked the f out like Khan. Ortiz actually has stopped his own self both of his stoppages. Ortiz can only knock himself out last time i checked, regardless of how you feel about the outcome....FMJ knocked Vic out. you can say cheap shot, you can say whatever you want, but Floyd put the kid on his a.s.s and Vic couldnt get up from it. Now, granted he hasnt been put to sleep like Khan, but he has been KTFO

Great post, very true. Both great athletes that seems to be ignorant about their flaws, but maybe that's why so exciting. I support both in their (another) comebacks. Exactly this. When they talk about guys not being on their level or calibre or whatever it annoys the hell out of me Wow, a real non fanboy review of two fighters that didn't involve the words "hype job" "bum" and the likes..fair and honest, without jumping to extreme conclusions. Never thought i'd see the day on boxingscene... I think im going to......dont look at me. http://blackgifs.com/gifs/tear.gif Khan has been crucified on here :lol1: You'd think he chose to get KO'd :nonono:

Great post, very true. Both great athletes that seems to be ignorant about their flaws, but maybe that's why so exciting. I support both in their (another) comebacks.

Both 25 years old. American and British. Born to immigrants Both highly thought of from a young age and were moved quickly to the big stage as professionals. Both have good resumes for their age (i said for their age before you shoot me down) - Khan stopped in 2008. Chin a question mark since that fight (although it was even before then). 2 years later and one weight class higher, proves his chin isn't so bad by surviving round 10 to beat Maidana. FOTY for 2010 - Ortiz stopped in 2009. Heart a question mark since then. 2 years later and one weight class higher, and proves he has heart, getting up from a heavy knockdown to beat Berto. FOTY for 2011 Both take losses in late 2011, followed by a long period of inactivity. Both have rematches scheduled in 2012, and both their opponents test positive after themselves asking for random drug testing. Both have last-minute replacement opponents who they are heavily favoured to beat, with potential big money fights with Mayweather and Alvarez depending on them winning Both lose in similar ways to their first major loss. Khan on jelly legs after taking a big shot, gets up and bravely attempts to fight back, but gets stopped. Ortiz in a slugfest, and decides not to continue after taking a lot of shots (I'm not going to say he quit after hearing about the seriousness of his injuries) And now both are being written off and getting a lot of hate. Ortiz has already split with his trainer and i think Khan needs to do the same (he probably is doing behind the scenes). Both need someone who will work on their defensive flaws - they're both very good offensively already, and great athletes. They also need to go easy with random comments that make you go WTF? Mark my words, BOTH will be back. Not saying they'll ever be elite fighters, but they can be damn good WAR KHAN! WAR ORTIZ! :boxing: http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width_scaled/hash/72/f7/72f736d88831d8812169db299fc94cda.jpg Wow, a real non fanboy review of two fighters that didn't involve the words "hype job" "bum" and the likes..fair and honest, without jumping to extreme conclusions. Never thought i'd see the day on boxingscene... I think im going to......dont look at me. http://blackgifs.com/gifs/tear.gif

Let's not forget both have Mohawks lol. Mohawks will make you loose!

Wow, Khan and Ortiz are cosmic bro's:luvbed: I still think Ortiz has a good chance of making something of himself if he can get his mind right, and fix some defensive problems. He has all the physical tools. Khan is still a good fighter, and he can still have a long and exciting career. If he tightens his game up and trains with Floyd Sr or someone similar, I can see him being a Roger Mayweather type of fighter. He had a weak chin too, but his opponents had to get through a smart defense, and a murderous offense to get to it.

To be a superstar you need to have more than just elite skills. You either have to be exciting like Pac/De la Hoya or talk a lot and be controversial like Floyd. He doesn't have superstar appeal, and i say that as a fan of Ward. Agree completely, Ward is good but his style isn't really what the casuals like and pay for to watch.