Freddie Roach is by far the most overrated trainer in boxing

And Cotto didn't want one with Margarito? You have NO ROOM to talk son. Thanks for admitting Cotto is a wuss for wanting a catch weight. :lol1: Margarita was going up in weight from his previous fight. If cotto made him fight at 149 i'd agree. :bottle:

Been with Pac for years and he's still a crude brawler. People come up with this BS about him being able to box now but he still doesn't have a clue. Pac, like Khan, is a raw talent. They both get by on their physical attributes such as speed. Neither have any technique. Khan has been with Freddie years now and still has no footwork whatsoever. that you wont acknowledge or cannot see the huge improvement does not mean it is not there.

That's on a reality show but it's still funny as hell. :lo1l: That's part of the set of a TV show. Same can't be said with Ellerbe rubbing Floyd's chest hehe. :wave: So this is something pacquiao knowingly participated in? He was fully onboard with getting in bed with 3 other gentleman... ... Roach is still overrated

And Cotto didn't want one with Margarito? You have NO ROOM to talk son. Thanks for admitting Cotto is a wuss for wanting a catch weight. :lol1: :lmao2:......

Then explain where this took place.... http://www.fightclubwriter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Pacquiao-in-bed-with-3-guys.jpg BOOM LMAO! :rofl: Not sure I believe that picture tho.

Uhh, nope he hasn't. Then explain where this took place.... http://www.fightclubwriter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Pacquiao-in-bed-with-3-guys.jpg BOOM

Nope, he hasn't and never will. He's not a convicted felon like the Mayweathers. :wave: hmmmm Yea he has.... You need to get up on your Pacquiao history...

R. Mayweather, Mayweather Sr, Mayweather Jr All 3 have been to prison multiple times! :wave: Not sure what that has to do with Freddie Roach being an overrated trainer but....... Pacquiao has been to prison too BTW

He still beat the shit out of Cotto. :lol1: Yea but to bad the wuss wanted a catchweight. Lets see manny fight JMM at 140 and see who gets there ass kicked.

Yet he has 3 big players in boxing Pacquiao, Khan, JCC jr. Yea he is very overrated. Tell me another trainer who has 3 world class fighters like those 3? Exactly.... Pacquiao Khan JCC Jr 2 of them don't have titles 2 of them refuse drug tests 2 of them have weak resumes

Manny's overweight friend coaches him more in between rounds then roach does. Freddy only gets in like one sentence. Pretty sad.

JCC Jr, world class. lol. Yet he has 3 big players in boxing Pacquiao, Khan, JCC jr. Yea he is very overrated. Tell me another trainer who has 3 world class fighters like those 3? Exactly....

How can you look at Pac before Roach and Pac after and say he is not much better? Roach isn't perfect, but the man makes fighters better most the time. He's sure as hell one of the best trainers in the sport, which is all that most people call him. Pretty much this, if he wasn't good they wouldn't keep going to him and he's humble enough to give the credit to the fighters.

How can you look at Pac before Roach and Pac after and say he is not much better? Roach isn't perfect, but the man makes fighters better most the time. He's sure as hell one of the best trainers in the sport, which is all that most people call him.

freddie is a very good trainer and if you've seen film of him in the gym you'd know that. Second of all training is done in the gym and not every good trainer is equally as good in the corner of a fight. Right now Freddies disease is not enable him to get his fighter settled if need be then give "two" main points across to him. I give him credit for his bravery and its obvious all his fighters understand his short comings. I notice he uses Manny second in the corner prior and during the minute rest to ad instructions that Fred has already related to him. Most fighters Methods are from their style when they fought and Freddy does that but also adds in a few techniques he learned after his career was over. Also you need to realize that fighters are very stubborn group of men who when under fire resort to their "inner" soul of being! Some will look to over come and dominate others will look to fend off and remain defensive and others will look to solely survive. Nothing you could do about whats inside a fighter and its not up to a trainer to try too. If Chavez brings his son to Freedy that should tell you something right there. For now Freddy is good for the kid and that may chance or remain but the fact remains that Roach knows what he's doing and what he does he does very well. He is an old school approach trainer and has been learning how to deal with different personalities and thats not easy to adjust too!!! Knowing Methods and Techniques is one thing then being able to teach them is another and then gaining trust is the last ingrediant needed. Seems to me he has done that from what I see, I'm not in his gym to judge but people who want the best for their fighters bring them to him and he is trying to develop local talent all the time. Do you have any idea how much talent a trainer looses to the streets every year??? Good job Freddy, keep on working at it! :boxing: Ray Corso

What did Roach do for poor Linares? Beristain would have made Linares great, just like he's doing with Gonzalez despite his weak chin. Lol you can't teach heart. Linares clearly has all the talent, it's something in him that's the problem and not Roach.

Yet he has 3 big players in boxing Pacquiao, Khan, JCC jr. Yea he is very overrated. Tell me another trainer who has 3 world class fighters like those 3? Exactly....

Freddie Roach and Manny Pacquiao are not womanbeaters Nor are they crackheads like Sr. Little bit of irony that Pacquiao is in that post and the song is about going to jail for election fraud.

Source? Freddie Roach trains Chavez Jr and he gets better every fight. source=did you not see the lead up to his last fight where his dad was trainign him and roach was nowhere around

To me, Roach is overrated. His fighters fight 1 way. But some of his fighters are inside fighters. Like Chavez. However he never thought Pacman to apply smart pressure & Khan has no inside game & can't take pressure. looks to me like chavez's father trains him more than roach does