ill give the UFC one thing without a doubt.

You can add in Dos Santos too He isn't that famous atm unless we're talking about Brazil...though with a few more fights with the way he has been fighting that will expand hugely.

Lmao why not compare how much PPV UFC pulls in a year compared to boxing? The big two as in Pacquiao and Mayweather? You said it yourself, UFC doesn't have a Pacquiao or Mayweather type of draw right now. But when they did have it, (Lesnar, Liddel, Rampage, St-Pierre etc) they did those numbers. Stop being so insecure around little brother. Said it before and you ignored me. The UFC combine their international and domestic numbers to inflate their over all number. Boxing only reports on its domestic number. For example the up coming **** fest Adamek vs Toney might do 50k in the US but it would likely do another 100k in Poland. Then there's a few other countries that have it on PPV as well.

The UFC has only a handful of truly GREAT, marketable stars...those are Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, GSP, Chael Sonnen and Overeem as well. Anderson Silva is 37 and won't be fighting much longer and even when he does fight he only fights once or if we're lucky twice a year...GSP has been injured and out of the game for a year or over by the time he returns comfortably..hes also boring to watch (I am a fan of his work ethic and the way he carries himself). Jon Jones is the only GREAT star that I could see lasting a long time, though even him he hasn't got that character which makes him stand out but he is a tremendous fighter and people pay to see that. Overeem has been banned for a year and we need to see his PPV ratings when he returns, he did well before but that was against Brock who sells well. Chael Sonnen is 35, Overeem is like 32/33, GSP is like 31 iirc, Silva 37. People taking about UFC not making the matches people want to see, thats bs because its been happening for long, GSP vs A.Silva is a mismatch because of the size disparity, GSP can comfortably make 170 and Silva has fought a few times at 205..he just about makes 185 remember he balloons up to 230 pounds when he isn't fighting. Jon Jones vs A.Silva is another fight which isn't really fair because of the size disparity..Jon Jones is bigger than many heavyweights in the UFC yet he is expected to fight a much smaller man, who is older and not in his best weight class? The UFC has made the best fights time and time again, it is also loyal to those who are loyal to it (Penn got his rematch vs Edgar/GSP and his fight vs Diaz eventhough he didn't really deserve to fight him after a draw with Fitch a fight he lost many ppl think AND Edgar got his rematch vs Maynard/Henderson) One thing the UFC has over Boxing is the freedom to make fights, though I don't like the fact that they don't co-promote in order to make a fight happen but that does not really matter now since Fedor has retired and pretty much 90% of the top fighters are in the UFC or are heading there after Strikeforce's contract ends with Showtime. They also pay their fighters chump change compared to Boxing which forces fighters to be as active as possible which is great from a fans perspective. UFC has changed its direction a bit, before it just wanted to get big in the states and get settled now that it has since I'd say 2010 it has started to expand into other countries. It is HUGE in Brazil and Canada especially, and strong in countries such as Sweden, Australia and arguably the UK. They have put on shows there with good results recently and Japan (MMA is dead there now after the fall of Pride) with shows planned for Korea, China and India soon. Just because you think it is fading in the states does not mean it is fading in the rest of the world. Same with Boxing, its huge in Europe/Mexico/UK and there are still some strong markets out there in the states...it is also growing in Japan which is surprising. You can add in Dos Santos too

just my 2 cents: 1. UFC is successful because there is just 1 promoter, Dana White. He decides whose fighting who. Best part is, he has his ears on the fans on who they want to fight next. He just doesn't listen, he walk the talk. This is why they sold out arenas even they make the fight overseas. 2. UFC only has the original weight classes that boxing used to have before. No too much "super" or other shyets. They only have light heavy though. What i like is there is only 1 champ for each division (no regular, gold platinum, emeritus and other types of champions). 3. UFC fans don't give a sheyt of the fighters win-loss records. They watch to be entertained (much like WWE or something). You may not call MMA a "sport", but it brings a lot of interest and revenue from the casual fans. Boxing promoters and even boxers says "boxing is business", but the way i see it, UFC does better business than boxing. At least for Dana White. lol. 4. Arianny Celeste. make it 4 cents....

MMA is more forgiving because it is more unpredictable due to the smaller gloves and no ten counts. But yes, your point is super valid, the boxing crowd seems to be a lot more unforgiving about losses than the MMA crowd. Vanderlei Silva has lost a lot recently and is still a huge draw in MMA.

But this is only because Dana White has the power. He tells 2 fighters, this is happening, and this is when its going to happen. They don't really have a choice unless they want to no longer have their UFC contract. Boxers generally have more freedom with their choices. and is that a wrong thing? id prefer if both mayweather and pac were slaves to arum if that would result in them fighting

The UFC has only a handful of truly GREAT, marketable stars...those are Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, GSP, Chael Sonnen and Overeem as well. Anderson Silva is 37 and won't be fighting much longer and even when he does fight he only fights once or if we're lucky twice a year...GSP has been injured and out of the game for a year or over by the time he returns comfortably..hes also boring to watch (I am a fan of his work ethic and the way he carries himself). Jon Jones is the only GREAT star that I could see lasting a long time, though even him he hasn't got that character which makes him stand out but he is a tremendous fighter and people pay to see that. Overeem has been banned for a year and we need to see his PPV ratings when he returns, he did well before but that was against Brock who sells well. Chael Sonnen is 35, Overeem is like 32/33, GSP is like 31 iirc, Silva 37. People taking about UFC not making the matches people want to see, thats bs because its been happening for long, GSP vs A.Silva is a mismatch because of the size disparity, GSP can comfortably make 170 and Silva has fought a few times at 205..he just about makes 185 remember he balloons up to 230 pounds when he isn't fighting. Jon Jones vs A.Silva is another fight which isn't really fair because of the size disparity..Jon Jones is bigger than many heavyweights in the UFC yet he is expected to fight a much smaller man, who is older and not in his best weight class? The UFC has made the best fights time and time again, it is also loyal to those who are loyal to it (Penn got his rematch vs Edgar/GSP and his fight vs Diaz eventhough he didn't really deserve to fight him after a draw with Fitch a fight he lost many ppl think AND Edgar got his rematch vs Maynard/Henderson) One thing the UFC has over Boxing is the freedom to make fights, though I don't like the fact that they don't co-promote in order to make a fight happen but that does not really matter now since Fedor has retired and pretty much 90% of the top fighters are in the UFC or are heading there after Strikeforce's contract ends with Showtime. They also pay their fighters chump change compared to Boxing which forces fighters to be as active as possible which is great from a fans perspective. UFC has changed its direction a bit, before it just wanted to get big in the states and get settled now that it has since I'd say 2010 it has started to expand into other countries. It is HUGE in Brazil and Canada especially, and strong in countries such as Sweden, Australia and arguably the UK. They have put on shows there with good results recently and Japan (MMA is dead there now after the fall of Pride) with shows planned for Korea, China and India soon. Just because you think it is fading in the states does not mean it is fading in the rest of the world. Same with Boxing, its huge in Europe/Mexico/UK and there are still some strong markets out there in the states...it is also growing in Japan which is surprising.

UFC is nothing like a league. It's a sole franchise like the cowoys, lakers, WWE. It would be impossible for boxing to manage udner one franchise the whole worlds talent. You would be missing out on a lot. One sanctioning body is all boxing needs. It's doesn't need to be ruled under a dictator. I think people are really overestimating the success of that. K No argument here

If boxing had an actual league, e.g. NFL, NBA, UFC, etc... It'd be a lot better for the fans

Even DiBella touched on this. Too much emphasis is put on win/loss records in boxing. The UFC has fighters who have lots of losses in main events, why? Because they are characters, have charisma, or just flat out put on good fights even if they happen to lose, people want to see them again regardless of 10+ loss records. Today in age undefeated records mean diddly squat to me. A perfect example is Emmanuel Augustus. That man has insane losses and was still great to watch fight. this is true, but it is also their achilles heel. How many times are people going to pay to watch a forrest griffin or a frank mir? Having multiple losses affects marketability, no doubt about that.

It must really suck for ZUFFA fanboys, 2012 and the Fox deal was suppose to usher in the mainstream era for the sport, instead all it did is expose the sport to be on decline and it made clear that it will never be bigger then a niche sport, just like boxing is today. How does it feel? Years of hype, MMA will take over boxing, fastest growing sport, look out the NFL and soccer...oh noes, what happened...the UFC is just as relevant or irrelevant as a 'dead' sport...oh well. We are going to look back 20 years from now, and the biggest star in MMA history will still be a WWE product.

I stopped reading at "try to convert boxing fans". You are truly a delusional little boy. You got beat up by a fatty who trains "mma" and now you're projecting all over boxing forums. Get help little guy. You're not very smart. You can't even get your facts right about the UFC while pretending that you are some sort of expert on the subject.

UFC doesnt put the best vs the best matchups. Im still waiting for: St. Pierre vs Silva Silva vs Jon Jones and the one I will never see = Fedor vs Overeem

So what's my agenda you little butthurt boy? I already told you I prefer boxing over UFC, in fact any time there's boxing on the same night as UFC I'll watch boxing. (although the UFC event has tons of more viewers) You're a typical butthurt wanker who got beat up by some fat kid who trains "MMA". That's why you're so angry. You're just gonna have to deal with it my friend. Silva-Sonnen II vs Martinez-Chavez we'll see Ok, maybe you're not smart enough to have an agenda. I know more about MMA then you, but that doesn't mean that I will spew some BS facts like you are in a vain attempt to convert boxing fans. Sure sure, lets compare the UFC biggest PPV of the year with boxings 4th biggest of the year (fifth if Floyd fights again this year). But MMA is growing at such a fast rate, taking over the world really derp derp derp...I heard that same **** now for 5 years and I was watching MMA before you ever started to jack off to TUF. This is not 2007, nobody gives a **** about the UFC.

Boxers only box,well they also clinch,jab,back pedal,run,which makes it boring.Most fights are 36 min of left hand right hand ...clinch....over and over again...MMA on the other hand is real fighting ....ask James Toney...lolol As long as there are rules and regulations it's a sport, it's not real fighting.

When you reach the top ofthe UFC. It's because you were the best guy. Simple as that. No padding or shady fights to get a cheap vacant title. That's what I like and respect the most. Like the 2-1 record Brock Lesnar got a HW title shot with.

The UFCs inability to create superstars is the main reason its a dying sport. Too many vanilla fighters with average records doing the same stuff. That's why almost 40 yr old Franklins and Silvas are headlining ppvs and why ratings and ppvs are falling like stocks in 1987. Building up stars with padded records actually brings in excitement.

Stop being so insecure around little brother. Your agenda is obvious.

Oh oh...here come the MMA message board warriors.

The real difference between boxing and the UFC is that the UFC is a glorified toughman contest. MMA tries to do EVERYTHING that boxing does but fails. If White could stall a match between the top two best to build anticipation and appeal he certainly would. Problem is MMA has to shoot its load up front just to stay relevant. Its always been that way. The minute that MMA tried to build up anticipation they would instantly watch their numbers plunge. With MMA its all or nothing. So they have to constantly bring the fireworks. That's why MMA fighters are recycled much more often than boxers. Boxers usually make a career out of fighting if they're contenders. MMA fighters give a go at it for a few years and call it a day. Only a few have real longevity. And then there's the difference in skill. Ray Mercer could walk into MMA and defeat one of the top HW fighters. While no MMA fighter alive could beat even a C level pro boxer under boxing rules. Chop Chop Corley would look like Manny Pacquiao against anyone ever in MMA. So get real. There's a reason why the difference between boxing and MMA numbers are a couple of zeros. Boxers only box,well they also clinch,jab,back pedal,run,which makes it boring.Most fights are 36 min of left hand right hand ...clinch....over and over again...MMA on the other hand is real fighting ....ask James Toney...lolol